Venezuela Election - Chavez being challenged
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I think that only the number of votes cast is tabulated.
In computer voting, once one enters their vote, there is absolutely no way to verify if that vote is accurately counted. None.
If you no do vote on paper, you have not voted.
It is about creating secure systems. For example, I am sure you trust your bank or credit card company with your electronic holdings there.
I get a personal print out of my transactions from my bank and my credit card companies. I have a vested interest in ensuring they are accurate and I have a way to make changes to any errors found.
In computer voting, once the vote has been entered there is absolutely no way to check to see if that vote is counted for the candidate you intended. NONE!
Not one of these computer systems of voting has ever been tested for the accuracy of the intended vote, only to total numbers voted.
It is a simple counting function. I am sure the programmers have tested it- no programming company or even freelance programmer releases things without bug testing. If you trust the technology of your bank to do complex transactions, then you know the tech is there to count simple +1 votes.
My point is though that you can have a secure electronic system. Whether or not today's systems are secure or reliable enough might be arguable, but its not like any one candidate is rigging the machines for votes. Other people- who knows, there are thousands of people across the country involved in the election process. But again, you can have that kind of fraud on paper ballots too. I lean towards thinking the level of electronic voting fraud or error in the US is extremely low if it is existent.
Would you use a system if your bank and credit card company just gave you a statement at the end of the month with just one number on it? For the bank, how much you have in your account. For the credit card company, how much you owe them. And no account of your transactions and no way of making a correction?
Doubtful.
Doubtful.
You are wrong as usual. They take your finger prints and then you get a card to vote thru the computer. You know nothing about it at all.
What makes you think it isn't tested?
But again, it is such a simple function that the chances of such an error is small.
As for the transaction report, there is really nothing else you can show other than total votes (unless you want something like Romney - Obama - Obama - Romney - Romney - etc. but that is effectively the same thing as a number at the end.)
I say it has never been tested because it can't be tested.
The results are taken on faith, and faith alone. That is NOT a great basis for building a free and fair election system.
It is our faith in the results of our elections that is the basis for our system of government. Without that faith in the voting system there is no faith in the the system of government at all. Then it all falls apart.
ATMS, electronic voting booths, lotto vending machines, etc. are all basically the same tech (only the use they're put to varies). If you can trust 1 you can trust all.
It is not based on faith. People coded it and software is always bug tested before being released let alone sold.
ATMs and the Lottos have a built in verification system....the participant.
Not so with electronic voting. In electronic voting once you input your vote you have no way to verify the accuracy of that vote. At least with paper ballots there is a source document to refer.
Yes, the Democrats have managed to cheat even with paper ballots. The best example lately was the election for Senator in Minnesota back in 2008. Al Franken was elected in a recount that had more votes counted than votes casted. Not to mention the votes that a Democrat poll worker just happened to find in the truck of his car.
I agree with that BUT, you have no idea if the results reported are in fact the actual votes casted. GIGO. We have no idea if the system in safe. All systems can be hacked. Just like with paper ballots, it's just that with electrons the cheating is easier and less traceable.
If you have not voted on paper, you have not voted.
And the Republicans go around stuffing ballots and preventing Dems and the poor from registering.
The history of voter and election fraud in this nation is almost totally on the side of the Democrat Party.
There is no case whats so ever of Republicans or anyone keeping American citizens that are eligible to vote, from voting.
Where did Republicans "stuff" the ballots?
Where and/or when did Republicans keep any legal citizen that is eligible to vote from voting?
wow, you are operating in a completely alternate universe, okay, good to know the intellectual level i am dealing with.
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