What Can Be Done To Stop Destructive Tornados ?

Protectionist · May 20, 2013

Can anyone suggest anything we in the US can do to stop these terrible tornados ? Feel free to pose ideas, no matter how outlandish they may seem initially. Don't worry about the naysayers. The inventors of electric light, automobiles, airplanes and computers all had those "don't be ridiculous people" tugging at them too.

Seems like 44 years after scientists put a man on the moon (so they say), we ought to be able to come up with some way to stop these destructive tornados. Unlike hurricanes, they're not really too big at their base. Any ideas ? Anything.

tecoyah · May 21, 2013

Protectionist said:
Can anyone suggest anything we in the US can do to stop these terrible tornados ? Feel free to pose ideas, no matter how outlandish they may seem initially. Don't worry about the naysayers. The inventors of electric light, automobiles, airplanes and computers all had those "don't be ridiculous people" tugging at them too.

Seems like 44 years after scientists put a man on the moon (so they say), we ought to be able to come up with some way to stop these destructive tornados. Unlike hurricanes, they're not really too big at their base. Any ideas ? Anything.

There is no way to stop these tornados.....best to simply build in a way that has a chance of survival, or better yet do not build in such areas at all.

When you see a city destroyed completely, twice in 14 yrs....that should be a hint and a half for your A$$ to get the he!! out.

David · May 21, 2013

tecoyah said:
There is no way to stop these tornados.....best to simply build in a way that has a chance of survival, or better yet do not build in such areas at all.

When you see a city destroyed completely, twice in 14 yrs....that should be a hint and a half for your A$$ to get the he!! out.

Sure you can, just keep all te air hot/cold. If hot an cold air doesn't mix, no tornados. I'd suggest a system of umbrella/mirror satellites. You could limit the sunlight over dry areas to keep from sparking fires and at the edge of cold air masses to keep thunderstorms from forming and you could focus sunlight over farmlands to keep them warm and at the edge of war air masses to again prevent thunderstorms. Money, not tech, is what holds us back from things like this.

DodgeFB · May 21, 2013

tecoyah said:
There is no way to stop these tornados.....best to simply build in a way that has a chance of survival, or better yet do not build in such areas at all.

When you see a city destroyed completely, twice in 14 yrs....that should be a hint and a half for your A$$ to get the he!! out.

I agree. I know it is hard for some to accept, but some things can't be controlled by man.

tecoyah · May 21, 2013

David said:
Sure you can, just keep all te air hot/cold. If hot an cold air doesn't mix, no tornados. I'd suggest a system of umbrella/mirror satellites. You could limit the sunlight over dry areas to keep from sparking fires and at the edge of cold air masses to keep thunderstorms from forming and you could focus sunlight over farmlands to keep them warm and at the edge of war air masses to again prevent thunderstorms. Money, not tech, is what holds us back from things like this.

Possible....but unlikely:

"Recent research indicates that in order to form, a tornado needs both a cold, rainy downdraft and a warm updraft. To stop a tornado from forming, just heat this cold downdraft until it's cold no longer. And how would one do this, you ask? Simple: Blast it with beams of microwaves from a fleet of satellites. The satellites would collect solar energy, transform it into microwaves, and send a beam down to Earth. The beams would be focused on cold downdrafts, heating them like last night's leftovers. The European Space Agency has funded initial studies on building this type of satellite, though it hopes to use the satellites as high-altitude solar-power stations, not as weather modifiers."

Protectionist · May 21, 2013

David said:
Sure you can, just keep all te air hot/cold. If hot an cold air doesn't mix, no tornados. I'd suggest a system of umbrella/mirror satellites. You could limit the sunlight over dry areas to keep from sparking fires and at the edge of cold air masses to keep thunderstorms from forming and you could focus sunlight over farmlands to keep them warm and at the edge of war air masses to again prevent thunderstorms. Money, not tech, is what holds us back from things like this.

Good post. Interesting ideas. There a a variety things that can be done. Sad that political wills aren't united on it, even when it comes to saving lives.
As I suggested in another forum, tornados can be mitigated using the military and high-tech targeted rocket bombs shot into the base of the tornado (in its infancy stage), in open, unihabited areas (these are massive in the midwest and most of the country). These explosions would create severe air pressure variations, disrupting the consistent, circular wind current that tornados depend upon, busting them up into much smaller (relatively harmless) tornados, which tend to peter out, or it could knock out the tornado entirely.

The Oklahoma Air National Guard could fairly easily coordinate this, and I can think of worse uses for our military than this. 100 years ago, we could not have done this. We have the technology now.

David · May 21, 2013

tecoyah said:
Possible....but unlikely:

"Recent research indicates that in order to form, a tornado needs both a cold, rainy downdraft and a warm updraft. To stop a tornado from forming, just heat this cold downdraft until it's cold no longer. And how would one do this, you ask? Simple: Blast it with beams of microwaves from a fleet of satellites. The satellites would collect solar energy, transform it into microwaves, and send a beam down to Earth. The beams would be focused on cold downdrafts, heating them like last night's leftovers. The European Space Agency has funded initial studies on building this type of satellite, though it hopes to use the satellites as high-altitude solar-power stations, not as weather modifiers."

You say unlikely then quote an ESA study that agrees with my point?

ThirdTerm · May 21, 2013

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Around 600 new tornado shelters were installed in the Oklahoma town after it was hit by a tornado in the 1990s, which is normal for the tornado-prone states. Schools located in the Tornado Alley may need huge underground bunkers which can accommodate hundreds of students in case of emergency and normal emergency measures such as hiding under a desk or holding onto a wall obviously did not save those students who lost their lives.

Protectionist · May 22, 2013

ThirdTerm said:
[youtube]JJBFuwwYnDc[/youtube]

Around 600 new tornado shelters were installed in the Oklahoma town after it was hit by a tornado in the 1990s, which is normal for the tornado-prone states. Schools located in the Tornado Alley may need huge underground bunkers which can accommodate hundreds of students in case of emergency and normal emergency measures such as hiding under a desk or holding onto a wall obviously did not save those students who lost their lives.

While being good information, this still addresses only ways of avoiding tornados, rather than the thread's TOPIC of stopping them.

Protectionist · May 22, 2013

DodgeFB said:
I agree. I know it is hard for some to accept, but some things can't be controlled by man.

It seems to be equally hard for some to accept, that some things CAN be controlled by man.

DodgeFB · May 22, 2013

Protectionist said:
It seems to be equally hard for some to accept, that some things CAN be controlled by man.

Well good luck to them controlling weather. I see it as arrogant, but if they have money and time I say go for it.

tecoyah · May 22, 2013

Between the costs of implementing technological remedies, the current political climate, and the scientific complication, and the scientific hurdles inevitable in any scheme designed for weather manipulation....the likely hood of stopping cyclone activity is virtually 0.

might as well try to clone a dinosaur.

I am almost tempted to move this to the conspiracy forum.....but will not.

David · May 22, 2013

tecoyah said:
Between the costs of implementing technological remedies, the current political climate, and the scientific complication, and the scientific hurdles inevitable in any scheme designed for weather manipulation....the likely hood of stopping cyclone activity is virtually 0.

might as well try to clone a dinosaur.

I am almost tempted to move this to the conspiracy forum.....but will not.

They tried... Now they're trying to reverse engineer a chicken into a dinosaur.

tecoyah · May 22, 2013

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David · May 22, 2013

tecoyah said:
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To their credit, they actually found soft tissue, the remains of bone marrow cells and complex proteins. No DNA sadly.

Protectionist · May 23, 2013

DodgeFB said:
Well good luck to them controlling weather. I see it as arrogant, but if they have money and time I say go for it.

Bizzare statement. Trying to save lives and property, and protect the public is "arrogant" ?

Protectionist · May 23, 2013

tecoyah said:
Between the costs of implementing technological remedies, the current political climate, and the scientific complication, and the scientific hurdles inevitable in any scheme designed for weather manipulation....the likely hood of stopping cyclone activity is virtually 0.

might as well try to clone a dinosaur.

I am almost tempted to move this to the conspiracy forum.....but will not.

Between the simplicity of the physics involved, the low cost, and the overwhelming political agreement (everyone wants to stop tornados), the likelihood of stopping TORNADOS (is the word, not cyclone), is near 100%.

Protectionist · May 23, 2013

David said:
They tried... Now they're trying to reverse engineer a chicken into a dinosaur.

WHO tried WHAT ? Chicken ? Dinosaur ? Another baffling post from Dubious David.

Protectionist · May 23, 2013

David said:
To their credit, they actually found soft tissue, the remains of bone marrow cells and complex proteins. No DNA sadly.

Could somebody please tell me what in hell this guy is talking about ?

Whatever it is, it sure doesn't sound like it is anywhere near being ON TOPIC, as is supposed to be required by the forum (isn't it ?)

David · May 23, 2013

When you see a post with a quote, don't ignore the quote.

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