What, exactly, is socialism? I'm glad you asked.

Jan 2020
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38
Pacific Northwest
From the beginning, socialism has been presented as the antidote to capitalism. It has been explained as the end of capitalism and its replacement. Then along came Marx who wrote volumes analyzing capitalism and suggesting socialism (he called it "lower communism") as the undoing and replacement for capitalism. And his writings were so thorough and detailed that the socialist world adopted those writings as their code, their rationale, --their "bible". Now, --and since the 20th century, --any serious socialist movement or party has stated that it follows Marx and has declared itself to be Marxist. Marx has become the standard. Anytime a person now mentions socialism, Marx comes to mind in some way. Marx is tied to all ideas of socialism.

In Marx's writings and in the literature of every Marxist effort by any communist party or any socialist party, you would find slogans like "workers unite and cast off the chains of wage slavery". Think about that. And BTW the slogan accurately reflects the intentions of the Marxian perspective. "Workers unite" suggests a collective effort. "Cast off the chains of wage slavery" suggests an end to the relationship of worker to boss. So how does this different relationship of socialism appear? What are its characteristics?

To answer that and see the clear difference, we can look at the simple, clear, fundamental characteristics of each, -socialism and capitalism, -to see the difference.

Capitalism is in every case a system in which private ownership and control of production produces private profits. The profits are "private" because they are not shared proportionately with everyone involved. Instead, the owner(s) of the business are the ones who decide what to produce, where to produce, when to produce, how to produce, and what to do with the profits. The relationship of worker to boss is one in which the worker has no meaningful say in any of those decisions. S/he is told what to do, when, where, and how. There is no democracy for the worker.

Socialism is in every case a system in which the workers own and control their work life. They collectively and democratically decide what to produce, where to produce, when to produce, how to produce, and what to do with the profits. They decide what the pay scale is to be. They hire and fire the CEO and Board members. They have equal representation on the Board along with invited Board members. Their relationship of worker to boss is identity: they ARE the boss.

Note: if these conditions of socialism are not present, IT ISN'T SOCIALISM.

So capitalism is private ownership and control of production for private profit.

Socialism is collective worker ownership and control of production for mutual benefit and the benefit of the community and nation.

In any capitalist economy, there are necessarily many, many details, laws, rules, programs, policies, etc. which are all designed to keep the basic capitalist structure of economy running smoothly. Some of those capitalist economies have tried a strict "free market" approach, as we had in the US in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. But due to workers rebelling and revolting against the harsh conditions that result, it doesn't seem to last very long.

Then there is the majority of capitalist economies in which various socially-beneficial programs are implemented in order to appease the workers, be a bit more fair to them, keep them content by providing perks and benefits, and win their loyalty. It is still capitalism even with all this socially-beneficial dressing because the underlying economic system is one in which private ownership and control of production rules for the production of private profits. These socially-beneficial programs are established FOR capitalism. The relationships of production haven't changed.

So it's incorrect to speak of a capitalist country being a "mix of socialism and capitalism". There is no support or incentives for worker ownership and control in a capitalist economy. Yes, we have some worker co-ops in the US, but their development is not a goal of government. So the system is capitalism.


Socialism:

Socialism has been the stated goal of every Marxist movement and revolution. Every one of them, once they took power, followed a strategy to "get to" socialism. And each of them hit serious road bumps along the way, and those bumps eventually brought the strategy and the momentum toward socialism to an end in most cases. (The jury is still out on Cuba, and they continue to work at the strategy, which still changes.)

No country exists in which the effort to establish socialism reached its goal with an established, finished, functioning worker ownership and control system. The USSR and China both descended into state capitalism which Lenin warned about. In state capitalism the relationship (remember that word?) of worker to boss didn't change. The key is the relationship.

So, what country is a socialist country? There is none. Not yet.
 
May 2020
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37
usa
Karl Marx was a shallow-thinking loser who understood economics poorly and human nature worse. But give the left credit. Some of Marx’s pragmatic successors such as Lenin, Stalin and Mao were amazingly successful for a while. They and their henchmen succeeded in killing 100 million people and fought a Cold War for the future of humanity that they almost won.
 
Jan 2020
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38
Pacific Northwest
Karl Marx was a shallow-thinking loser who understood economics poorly and human nature worse.
If that is your idea of a "critique" of the one person who has ever produced such a thorough, in-depth, and prescient analysis of capitalism, you may want to study into the subject a bit more. .... No, never mind. I really don't think you can improve. Just know that your post was consciously or unconsciously intended to intimidate and suppress discussion of it. That has been the goal of 80 years of propaganda that has disarmed the working class. And you fell for it.
 
May 2020
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37
usa
In the 1930s, Hitler and Stalin both presided over socialist governments. The former was fascist (private ownership but government control), while the latter was communist (no private ownership of the means of production). They were the hideous, evil fraternal twin children of socialism.

On June 22, 1941, when Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, America's communists instantly became fervent anti-Nazis and anti-fascists.

When the war ended, leaving socialist/fascist Germany in ruins, American communists had a problem: fascist socialism stood exposed as an extraordinarily evil ideology. How were they to protect communist socialism, which was also an extraordinarily evil ideology?

The answer was to create a false syllogism that took hold in academia and media and that still controls today's rioters and corporate administrators:

Communists and fascists were enemies.

Communists helped win World War II, defeating fascism and providing unquestioned proof that fascists were utterly evil.

Communists and American Republicans are enemies.

As comminism's enemies, Republicans are fascists and, like fascists, must be completely evil.

American conservatives stand in stark contrast to the twin socialist ideologies of communism and fascism, both of which require total government control over the individual. The Constitution calls for minimal government control and maximum individual liberty. Contrary to the Democrat claim that Trump is an authoritarian, he has worked to reduce government control over individuals by cutting regulations and shrinking the bureaucracy.

Unlike Antifa, which is descended from the communist opposition to its evil twin (fascism) in the 1930s, Trump is a true anti-fascist. But Mia Bloom, an academic with a Ph.D. in political science, doesn't understand that, and she passes her hate and ignorance on to our children, who then rage in the streets and pervert the corporate marketplace.

 
Dec 2019
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12
U.S. Arkansas
It don't matter if they want to take away my freedom they are a Communist . Those that want to vote thinking they will get free stuff are delusional and bringing their country toward starvation and bondage . Hiding behind a name is for the weak minded .
 
Jan 2020
49
38
Pacific Northwest
Neither of you appear to be educable. You're ignorant of the subject, and you don't know you're ignorant. That is blindness and that plus partisan extremism means you're ineducable.
 
May 2020
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usa
CPUSA Program

Preface
The Road to Socialism USA is the Program of the Communist Party USA, adopted in 2005 and updated by our 100th Anniversary Convention in 2019 in Chicago. It offers our view of the path from the struggles of the present all the way to socialism, a strategy of struggle, unity, reform, and revolution.
All of humanity is faced with multiple, interlocking crises–in the economy, in our shared environment, in extreme weather disasters, in the growing danger of pandemics. These crises expose the rampant income inequality, the disparate impacts of these crises on those facing
exploitation and oppression, and, in the U.S. especially, the inhumane lack of health care for all.
These are crises of capitalism, an inhumane, exploitative, oppressive economic system of greed. In the present we struggle to improve the lives of workers and poor people, in our country and around the globe. Ultimately, to solve the challenges facing humanity, we need to replace capitalism with socialism, a system of cooperation, democracy, and equality.
The world is changing around us. As we adopted this program, the COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic exploded around us. This pandemic has laid bare the economic weakness of capitalism. The system is unable to adequately compensate workers for lost income, unable to deal with the economic devastation for both small businesses that crash with only a few weeks of being shut down and the workers who are laid off as a result, unable to take the necessary concerted collective action when saddled with a financial system geared only to endless profit-taking instead of prioritizing the health of the entire population.
An economic system that demands death for seniors in order to “restart the economy” is a system that is morally and economically bankrupt. The immediate crises of health care and the economy are intertwined with the long-range crisis of climate change and the need for fundamental transformation. Capitalism is a cause of much of the problems we face, and is also the main obstacle to finding real and lasting solutions. We need a system that prioritizes the needs of the people before the greed of the few, the 1%.
The ultimate results of the pandemic, in lives lost, in economic devastation for billions of workers, in massive political repercussions for the ineptitude and criminality of the Trump administration’s response, will not be understood for some time. We don’t yet know enough to adequately address the crisis and its effects in this program. We will amend the program to account for those changes as both the total impact of the problems and the struggles to address and solve them become clear.
We stand with the workers of our country, and the working class of the whole world, for health care for all, for an end to income inequality, against racism, sexism, and all injustice. Join with us!

The Road to Socialism USA: Unity for Peace, Democracy, Jobs, and Equality


What socialism could look like

Socialism, with the active participation of millions, will usher in a new era. The great wealth of the U.S. will for the first time be used to benefit all people. Democratic rights will be guaranteed and expanded. Racial, gender, and social equality will be the basis of domestic policies and practices. Foreign policy will be based on mutual respect, peace, and solidarity. Socialism is not a dream but rather a necessity to improve working class people’s lives and ensure the survival of developed human civilization. Only socialism has the solutions to the problems of capitalism. The working class, the vast majority of the population, will have full political and economic power with socialism.
We, the working class and people of the United States, face tremendous problems: exploitation, oppression, racism, sexism, a deteriorating environment and infrastructure, huge budget deficits to pay for tax cuts for the 1%, and a government dominated by the most vicious elements of big capital and its political operatives. We face the problems of everyday living, making ends meet, and having a voice at work and in our communities.
We, the working people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, need socialism—a system based on people’s needs, not on corporate greed. A radical critique of capitalism and the vision of socialism form the basic ideas of the Communist Party, USA.

 
Aug 2020
12
1
Belgium
Je suis belge et donc je viens d'Europe.
En Europe, environ 50 ou 60% des peuples sont "socialistes".

Ce n'est absolument pas ce que vous pouvez penser en Amérique.
Les "socialistes" en Europe veulent avoir:

une démocratie à part entière
pas de problème religieux
soins de santé
aide à l'éducation des enfants
aide à la retraite
aide au chômage
aider à acheter leur maison

avoir :
maison
voiture
vacances
une nature préservée
et le calme et la tranquillité.

C'est le socialisme que j'ai connu.
Tout le monde est heureux dans la paix et la tranquillité

Ce paradis est accessible si vous le souhaitez et si tout le monde joue au jeu:
les ouvriers travaillent
le capitaliste gagne sa vie et injecte ses bénéfices dans l'économie locale.

La «nouvelle économie avec l'évasion des avantages de l'économie spéculative mondiale a changé la donne.
Mais si vous le souhaitez, si vous acceptez de jouer au jeu, le paradis est toujours "accessible".
C'est un choix de société.
 
Aug 2020
12
1
Belgium
I’m Belgian, so I’m from Europe.
In Europe, about 50 or 60% of the peoples are "socialist".

That is absolutely not what you think in America.
The "socialists" in Europe want to have:

a democracy in its own right
no religious problem
health care
support for the education of children
retirement assistance
unemployment assistance
help buy their home

have:
house
car
vacation
a preserved nature
and calm and tranquility.

That’s socialism I’ve known.
Everyone is happy in peace and tranquility

This paradise is accessible if you wish and if everyone plays the game:
the workers work
the capitalist earns his living and injects his profits into the local economy.

The 'new economy with the escape of the benefits of the global speculative economy has changed the game.
But if you wish, if you agree to play the game, paradise is always "accessible".
It’s a societal choice.
 
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Aug 2020
12
1
Belgium
Socialisme et communisme

Je suis désolé, mais vous faites une mixture de tout avec tout

Il y a le socialisme et il y a le communisme.
Ce n’est pas une légère différence ce sont 2 notions distinctes .
Dans le communisme l’appareil de production appartient à l’état, et l’état appartient au parti unique ….ça fini toujours par tourner très mal en effet …
Dans le socialisme par contre l’appareil de production appartient au capitaliste, et il y a des partis nombreux et des élections régulières ,une liberté totale de la presse,de la religion,des partis politiques …..

Le socialisme c’est simplement une sorte d’assurance geante contre les catastrophes et pour garantir à tout le monde un moyen d’existence « décent » :

une pension de vieillesse
des soins de santé
la scolarité des enfants
des indemnités pour les handicapés,etc …

L’argent pour tout ça provient des cotisations sur les salaires et sur les bénéfices des sociétés,et la part de bénéfice qui reste au capitaliste est très importante de l’ordre de 85 % des bénéfices réalisés .
 
Aug 2020
12
1
Belgium
I’m sorry, but you are doing a mix everything with everything

There is socialism and there is communism.
This is not a slight difference, they are two distinct notions.

In communism the apparatus of production belongs to the state, and the state belongs to the one party …. it always turns out very bad indeed…
In socialism, on the other hand, the production apparatus belongs to the capitalist, and there are numerous political parties and regular elections ,total freedom of the press, of religion, of political parties . . .

Socialism is simply a kind of insuring against disasters and to guarantee everyone a "decent" means of existence:

an old age pension
health care
the schooling of children
allowances for the disabled, etc.

The money for all this comes from contributions on wages and on corporate profits, and the profit share that remains to the capitalist is very important in the order of 85% of the profits made.
 
Aug 2020
12
1
Belgium
But you are totally wrong!
Your basic mistake is to confuse socialism and communism.

Virtually every country in Europe is either socialist or socialist.
We did not nationalize shops, factories or houses.

I have lived for 60 years in a country that is mostly “socialist” … I know what I am talking about…
It has absolutely nothing to do with communism … absolutely nothing!

You have to document!
You have Internet and Google!
Look at the photos of everyday life in Europe .
it’s not communist hell … it’s just a“reasonable capitalism"!
 
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