What is wrong with Iran?

I read your opening line and can't say I agree more, it's not just Americans though, it's the whole world, the education systems don't teach of these countries and then when you hear they harbour 'terrorists' it scares the majority of the uninformed American public, the WORLD public. The day gets nearer and nearer to a bomb dropping on the country, just waiting to see how the NWO group are going to get Obama involved. Though maybe if he's as good as so many Americans think he'll be assassinated like JFK was when he was going to reveal the hidden truth to the public.

Yeah...he's a bit of a conspiracy believer. Might want to ignore that bit.

Where to start...where to start?

Yeah...we screwed up their country. We did it a long time ago. Most of us are sorry. By your logic the Japanese should still be doing regular kamikaze runs against us. Some countries are mature enough to forgive and forget after about 30 years. (Besides...the religious government has no reason to hate us...we paved the way for them).

We support Israel because it's nice to have a friendly Western voice in the region. If Iran or Iraq had developed differently we would have supported them.

The real question is why do you believe Iran is justified in their hatred of Israel. Iran supplies weapons to Hamas which they use to kill innocent civilians. We supplied weapons to Saddam because we wanted them to take each other out.

it's mainly semantic, but there's a real difference. We openly supported a side in war because we wanted to have a slightly less evil/more controllable government in charge. That's a branch of diplomacy. They are supporting true terrorism because they want to kill all the Israelis due to religious hatred. Big difference.

It's also incredibly childish to assume that they would politely dispose of their enriched uranium. I might believe that if they weren't regularly threatening to destroy Israel. It would be incredibly stupid for them to even build a plant though. Israel would probably just blow it up. That's what they did to Saddam.

The main problem is that Iran is one of the few countries that have stood against US wrongdoings openly, and US is against the revolution, coz it came by overthrowing the corrupt and pro-US Shah.

The university students are full of hate. We need to drop a few bunker busters and kill all the radical students and then it's all good.

Not sure where you're getting your news. The university students are behind the two biggest anti-government movements. Some extremists are mixed in with them, but a lot of them want freedom. The next generation is our best chance of reestablishing a good government in the country (a number of them really want true elections and less religious control of their government).

Parakeet it is because of our interference in their country that these loonies are in power now. There is no imaginative conspiracy to believe in. What we did to iran in 1953 is no different then what hitler did to million of jews and pols and russians. You would not dare call that some crazy conspiracy theory would you? But because our government did it to some other country you call it some crazy theory. Dont say we screwed up their country. Our actions are still having direct implications on their country even today.

No country should play god with another. We did this for greed , for oil and for power, not because we were scared they would turn commi-red as anyone who read enough about mossadegh knows hes about as close to a commi as any american president ever was , which means he never would have turned commi.

Lets not even go into hamas which originally funded and supported by the israeli government. Even the great yitzhak Rabin (may his soul rest in peace) said it was one of the biggest mistakes the israeli government ever made.

The Parakeet said:

Yeah...he's a bit of a conspiracy believer. Might want to ignore that bit.

Where to start...where to start?

Yeah...we screwed up their country. We did it a long time ago. Most of us are sorry. By your logic the Japanese should still be doing regular kamikaze runs against us. Some countries are mature enough to forgive and forget after about 30 years. (Besides...the religious government has no reason to hate us...we paved the way for them).

We support Israel because it's nice to have a friendly Western voice in the region. If Iran or Iraq had developed differently we would have supported them.

The real question is why do you believe Iran is justified in their hatred of Israel. Iran supplies weapons to Hamas which they use to kill innocent civilians. We supplied weapons to Saddam because we wanted them to take each other out.

it's mainly semantic, but there's a real difference. We openly supported a side in war because we wanted to have a slightly less evil/more controllable government in charge. That's a branch of diplomacy. They are supporting true terrorism because they want to kill all the Israelis due to religious hatred. Big difference.

It's also incredibly childish to assume that they would politely dispose of their enriched uranium. I might believe that if they weren't regularly threatening to destroy Israel. It would be incredibly stupid for them to even build a plant though. Israel would probably just blow it up. That's what they did to Saddam.

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Actually I was referring to the whole "NWO controls Obama and is trying to kill us all" thing. JLK seemed a little confused about the post above his so I was throwing in my two cents.

All of your points have been covered in other threads and I don't wish to derail this one. You are taking both Israel and Iran to unnatural extremes to support your own dislike of government. Again, this isn't what the thread is about though.

I do have a question though. What do you think about Panama and our interference in their affairs? We helped them rebel mainly so we could build a canal without having to mess around with international influence. That turned out fine. We've done a number of quiet diplomacy to help our interests and help the people we view as the good guys. Sometimes we mess up, get overzealous, panic, etc. It doesn't mean that our government is evil. It just means we have something to fix.

Iran hates USA Because USA hates Iran, the reason is because G.W.Bush attaked Iran earlier I don't know the reason, but I think for fuel. Bush caused all these things.

Well, their government hates us because the minority of religious fanatics run the country. They in turn wish to convert the whole world. The US (whether I like it or not) is the last bastion of Christianity in the world, so yeah, they hate us. A number of people within the country don't though. I've read a book or two by exiles and emigrants who talked about how much the people there long for the western world to break the barrier.

Actually they hate us first because we helped to destroy democracy in their country, the religious hate is only by the theocracy there that we indirectly helped to create. To get a better relationship with the Iranian people we must first appologize for 1953 then we can move forward. The problem now is the religious theocracy now has gotten so powerful it might be impossible to change things there anymore.

The funny thing is that I've never actually heard them complain about the 1953 overthrow. Those complaints are usually by scholars and intellectuals rationally discussing past US foreign policy.

I really don't think the current government or its people really care that much about something we did over 50 years ago. Their complaints usually involve calling us capitalist pigs, infidels, etc. They don't like us because our culture is different. Pretty easy to understand.

I really don't understand how you can stand by that. We have seriously screwed up South and Central America far worse. We installed and supported brutal dictators who stayed in power for longer than the shah. Their people are not in the streets calling for our blood.

The thing about Iran is this. I think its a shock to Americans that the Middle-east hates us. I don't know why. In fact it's been said over and over that they do. But when they hear about Iran and Iraq, American's are genuinely surprised. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (thank you google for the spelling) has been known to come over here, smile and say all the right things to make us go "Aw, they like us." At home, he says all the right things to make his people go "Aw, he understands us." All-in-all he's a politician, playing both sides. He knew relations with the US to the average person in Iran is not great. SO thus the propaganda machine. But he also knows the US are powerful and good allies. So he extends his arms of peace.

But I also think Iran is afraid that they are next. We've been over there the last 20 years off and on, our agenda different each time. So what's to stop us from "liberating" their country from "terror"? You can see why the general public don't trust us. Hell our own people don't trust the government, so why should they.

It all comes down to this with us and middle-eastern countries. We back Israel. So they all hate us because they hate Israel. End of story. Why do we back Israel? Because they are the people from the Bible, duh. This is a bible thumping country! We can't let the gentiles interfere with our precious hebrews! The sad thing is that Israel is no saint either. They are just like their Middle-eastern neighbors. They ALL hate each other. They all hold grudges for what happened between Isaac and Ishmael. As Americans were are constantly trying to make them shake hands. But they don't want too. This is what they know. And us interfering in there business, which was around longer than we have existed, seems foolish to them.

BUT those are my views.

I think "radical" Islamism is the Western world's greatest threat. Iran has a lot of it in its country, of the real fundamental kind. It is actively assisting other countries in the Middle East, including terrorists in Afghanistan, Syria and Palestine to fight the cause of radical Islam. It is possibly one of the greatest reasons that there are a great number of US troops in Iraq, as a weak Iraq would be a good reason for Iran to move into Iraq. So given its assistance to terrorists that are undermining the stability in the Middle East and through that the World, it is one of the countries in the world that the United States cannot but have a very close interest in, especially given Iran's most recent nuclear activities and refusal to subject it to IAEA inspection.

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