For or Against Capital Punishment?

[Dirk]

How can you say it's sanity? Sanity is to mention the reality of things. Someone who's sane knows what's real and sticks to it.

No, sanity is about not admitting you are evil, in this case.

 

[GOP]

No, sanity is about not admitting you are evil, in this case.

And what's evil about this?

 

[Dirk]

And what's evil about this?

Well, you'd have to be an idiot or insane to admit to the people that elect you that you would place monetary value on (possibly innocent) human life. Evil is a strong (and obviously subjective, unless you're religious) word that i normally refrain from using, but i strongly believe that human life is priceless.

Politicans are greedy bastards with no morals, but they aren't morons.

 

[GOP]

Well, you'd have to be an idiot or insane to admit to the people that elect you that you would place monetary value on (possibly innocent) human life. Evil is a strong (and obviously subjective, unless you're religious) word that i normally refrain from using, but i strongly believe that human life is priceless.

I agree. But to admit a simple fact that keeping people in jail for life is more expensive for the country than to give them the death penalty is simply being honest.

Politicans are greedy bastards with no morals, but they aren't morons.

That depends on who you ask.

 

[Dirk]

I agree. But to admit a simple fact that keeping people in jail for life is more expensive for the country than to give them the death penalty.

There's a difference between stating it as a fact and citing it as a reason.

Personally, were i a politician (yeah right), that supported the death penalty (no chance), i wouldn't mention it, since it would be far too easy to misinterpret.

That said, my point was purely about citing it as a reason.

 

[GOP]

There's a difference between stating it as a fact and citing it as a reason.

Of course, I'd never mention it as a reason but as a simple fact. There are far better arguments that can be used to defend capital punishment.

 

[David]

I agree. But to admit a simple fact that keeping people in jail for life is more expensive for the country than to give them the death penalty is simply being honest.

That's only true with summery executions (which I support but that's another topic). The moment you add appeals and Death Row it becomes several magnitudes more expensive then making someone a lifer.

 

[GOP]

That's only true with summery executions (which I support but that's another topic). The moment you add appeals and Death Row it becomes several magnitudes more expensive then making someone a lifer.

Source? I don't believe this is correct. They have give the criminal clothes, food and beverage when they do life (small, but during a long period of time, big costs). When you've killed someone you're done with the person.

 

[David]

Source? I don't believe this is correct. They have give the criminal clothes, food and beverage when they do life (small, but during a long period of time, big costs). When you've killed someone you're done with the person.

And once you add Death Row, most of the condemned effectively become lifers. Abolish appeals and institute summery executions (or at least let suicides, heart attacks, ect. happen) and it's cheaper.

 

[GOP]

And once you add Death Row, most of the condemned effectively become lifers. Abolish appeals and institute summery executions (or at least let suicides, heart attacks, ect. happen) and it's cheaper.

I agree that summary executions should be used much more frequently. But death row is still cheaper than life in prison, of course it also has to do with the age of the criminal. It's not going to cost much to give a 80 year old life compared to someone who's 20.

 

[David]

I agree that summary executions should be used much more frequently. But death row is still cheaper than life in prison, of course it also has to do with the age of the criminal. It's not going to cost much to give a 80 year old life compared to someone who's 20.

No but most 20 year olds that get told they're going to the executioner are still in jail 30 years later.

 

[GOP]

No but most 20 year olds that get told they're going to the executioner are still in jail 30 years later.

Then the system should be much more effective, the government should then finance the police force and also the courts more so they get things to move faster.

 

[David]

Then the system should be much more effective, the government should then finance the police force and also the courts more so they get things to move faster.

Nothing faster the summery executions!

but too many people make money off running the prisons and keeping the prisoners alive for the needed reforms to ever happen.

 

[GOP]

Nothing faster the summery executions!

but too many people make money off running the prisons and keeping the prisoners alive for the needed reforms to ever happen.

Well it would definitely be much more effective, and I think it would also make people more scared and aware before they commit any crimes having the knowledge that they might wind up getting summary executions is probably more frightening than the standard capital punishment with trial etc.

 

[David]

Well it would definitely be much more effective, and I think it would also make people more scared and aware before they commit any crimes having the knowledge that they might wind up getting summary executions is probably more frightening than the standard capital punishment with trial etc.

And we are in agreement! I still prefer slavery and reprograming, you can make admins if you screw up and punish the wrong person. Best you can do if you kill them is pay the family.

 

[GOP]

And we are in agreement! I still prefer slavery and reprograming, you can make admins if you screw up and punish the wrong person. Best you can do if you kill them is pay the family.

You prefer slavery? Well, I knew that socialists preferred it before, but ...

 

[David]

You prefer slavery? Well, I knew that socialists preferred it before, but ...

I said I support the most productive punishment. Killing any but the most hardened criminals is counter productive, costing resources and getting you nothing.

 

[GOP]

I said I support the most productive punishment. Killing any but the most hardened criminals is counter productive, costing resources and getting you nothing.

We should think of the victims and the victims family and friends. I'd personally prefer capital punishment for someone who killed a family member or a friend of mine, in stead of knowing the person is still walking around somewhere.

 

[David]

We should think of the victims and the victims family and friends. I'd personally prefer capital punishment for someone who killed a family member or a friend of mine, in stead of knowing the person is still walking around somewhere.

And if you kill the personality, you achieve the same thing without killing anyone. Do it right and you can 'resurrect' them if you get the wrong person.

 

[chuck schmidt]

Nothing faster the summery executions!

Depends on what you call a "summary execution". The normal definition is somebody just pulling out a gun (or whatever) and killing. That means doing without due process. No trial. Just the judge, jury and executioner being the first responder with the means to do so. No thanks.