For or Against Capital Punishment?

[deanhills]

No, the person calls the spade for a spade.

That sounds like Maggie Thatcher. For me it would be my preferred politician, but I have not seen a politician like that lately. All of them suck up to groups of people that they are seeking out to support them, almost along calculated lines of figuring out what the best thing is to say in order to have the required effect, instead of just saying how it is.

 

[deanhills]

I agree. But to admit a simple fact that keeping people in jail for life is more expensive for the country than to give them the death penalty is simply being honest.

I don't think a politician would be dishonest if he kept this information to himself/herself. To me it sounds opiniated, "free information" that may detract from where the politician would like to get to.

Besides which, the death penalty should be about more than freeing up jail space. Next thing the same politician may ask whether he/she could expand the death penalty to more people who are in jail. Perhaps they could make an age requirement?

 

[deanhills]

Then the system should be much more effective, the government should then finance the police force and also the courts more so they get things to move faster.

I like the idea of moving slowly. As at least it still gives a window of opportunity for making appeals and if it had been someone innocent, for the evidence to come forward.

 

[deanhills]

Well it would definitely be much more effective, and I think it would also make people more scared and aware before they commit any crimes having the knowledge that they might wind up getting summary executions is probably more frightening than the standard capital punishment with trial etc.

I'm not a criminologist, but as far as I have learned, most of the serious repeat offenders and serial murderers aren't scared. Some of them enjoy murdering. It would be an interesting research study to establish the influence of the death penalty on inmates who committed capital crimes.

 

[chuck schmidt]

Next thing the same politician may ask whether he/she could expand the death penalty to more people who are in jail. Perhaps they could make an age requirement?

Or budgetary? Once they run out of money for a jail they execute the ten longest staying inmates, or as many as they need to meet budget?

 

[deanhills]

Or budgetary? Once they run out of money for a jail they execute the ten longest staying inmates, or as many as they need to meet budget?

I guess if everyone can be up in arms almost literally about GITMO I would imagine that a politician going into that direction would be completely strung up by the media. It is the kind of remark that would land the person in serious trouble, like Reid's unintentional racial remarks. Remarks like that seldom come out the way the politician means them to sound, even when there is no media around.

 

[DodgeFB]

I guess if everyone can be up in arms almost literally about GITMO I would imagine that a politician going into that direction would be completely strung up by the media. It is the kind of remark that would land the person in serious trouble, like Reid's unintentional racial remarks. Remarks like that seldom come out the way the politician means them to sound, even when there is no media around.

I wonder how many that would have gone to "GITMO" got a bullet in the head. I can see a soldier doing that if he knows this guy just tried to kill him and his buddies. Because he now knows some "empty suit" in Washington may let him go.

 

[deanhills]

I wonder how many that would have gone to "GITMO" got a bullet in the head. I can see a soldier doing that if he knows this guy just tried to kill him and his buddies. Because he now knows some "empty suit" in Washington may let him go.

This is going to sound whacko unethical, but maybe that would be easier for people to live with. As soon as consideration has to be given to ethics outside of the moment in which the behaviour has occurred for which ethics are supposed to be decided on, reality seems to take a completely different form almost out of whack with reality.

 

[DodgeFB]

This is going to sound whacko unethical, but maybe that would be easier for people to live with. As soon as consideration has to be given to ethics outside of the moment in which the behaviour has occurred for which ethics are supposed to be decided on, reality seems to take a completely different form almost out of whack with reality.

I have no problem with it.

 

[GOP]

I'm not a criminologist, but as far as I have learned, most of the serious repeat offenders and serial murderers aren't scared. Some of them enjoy murdering. It would be an interesting research study to establish the influence of the death penalty on inmates who committed capital crimes.

It definitely would've. But the most important thing with capital punishment is not really if they feel scared before being executed, it's just removing them so they can never repeat what they've done.

 

[deanhills]

It definitely would've. But the most important thing with capital punishment is not really if they feel scared before being executed, it's just removing them so they can never repeat what they've done.

I thought it was justice? Or am I now being argumentative? :unsure: For me justice is usually as close in the middle as possible between right and wrong, like that pendulum in the justice scale. One can never get an ideal justice, although one tries quite hard. I.e. who can anticipate the horrors that may wait for this person when he/she gets to jail, it may be worse than the death penalty. "Removing" for me of course is removing from society, not "permanently".

 

[GOP]

I thought it was justice? Or am I now being argumentative? :unsure:

It definitely is justice. That's why I said I am pro-capital punishment to punish the criminals, but also to protect the victims - justice for all.

 

[myp]

Deanhills just pointed out to me how off-topic this thread had gotten, so I have moved the off-topic posts into a separate thread as that really is another topic: http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=1174

 

[deanhills]

It definitely is justice. That's why I said I am pro-capital punishment to punish the criminals, but also to protect the victims - justice for all.

But are you sure this is justice that you are talking about, or more like revenge?

 

[DodgeFB]

But are you sure this is justice that you are talking about, or more like revenge?

At times they may be one and the same. Other times maybe not.:unsure:

If someone has wronged me, I prefer revenge.:redface: I know, I know that is hateful and mean spirited. But at least I admit it.

 

[deanhills]

At times they may be one and the same. Other times maybe not.:unsure:

If someone has wronged me, I prefer revenge.:redface: I know, I know that is hateful and mean spirited. But at least I admit it.

Right! For me justice has to be at an impartial and high standard.An act of violence to kill someone as in capital punishment mirrors the violent act for which the perpetrator has been tried by the court. Almost like justifiable licensed homicide?

 

[DodgeFB]

Right! For me justice has to be at an impartial and high standard.An act of violence to kill someone as in capital punishment mirrors the violent act for which the perpetrator has been tried by the court. Almost like justifiable licensed homicide?

Yeah! That too! There ya go! Now I am feeling it!

 

[GOP]

But are you sure this is justice that you are talking about, or more like revenge?

Both, criminals deserve to feel the pain they've caused on their victims and at the same time it's real justice.

 

[deanhills]

Both, criminals deserve to feel the pain they've caused on their victims and at the same time it's real justice.

This can be as effectively achieved by life imprisonment, which is basically a living death.

 

[GOP]

This can be as effectively achieved by life imprisonment, which is basically a living death.

But permanently removing the person makes us all sure of that he and she can never do the same again.