Question for Christians #1

[clax]

That is not evidence that God exists, but only that people have believed in God.


How is that logical? If I say the sky is purple and all of you are seeing it as blue as an illusion is it logical for me to ask you to disprove it? A lot of this comes down to statistical likelihood. And recent research (and the history of modern era research) has the odds of a Christian-like (or most organized religion Gods) God existing going down and down past the lows they are already at.

Science books are evidence that people believe devinchi existed, what is your point.

Statistics never Get beaten?

 

[myp]

Science books are evidence that people believe devinchi existed, what is your point.

Statistics never Get beaten?

My response was not to the point about Jesus existing- I do believe he was a real man. My response was to the claim that he is the son of God or that God in the form you say he exists actually does.

Also, statistics cannot be "beaten" that doesn't make sense. If you meant that there is still a small probability you are right, sure, but don't pretend the burden of proof is on those who don't believe when the chance that you are right is very near 0.

 

[myp]

And no disrespect intended to any believers in Christianity or organized religion- I am just making the logical argument since that is what was being discussed here.

 

[clax]

My response was not to the point about Jesus existing- I do believe he was a real man. My response was to the claim that he is the son of God or that God in the form you say he exists actually does.

Also, statistics cannot be "beaten" that doesn't make sense. If you meant that there is still a small probability you are right, sure, but don't pretend the burden of proof is on those who don't believe when the chance that you are right is very near 0.

What i am saying is that there is no proof either way. So what is the difference.

 

[clax]

And no disrespect intended to any believers in Christianity or organized religion- I am just making the logical argument since that is what was being discussed here.

You are not making a logical arguement, you are saying something that has no evidence can't exist. I am saying with no evedence how can you be so sure

 

[myp]

What i am saying is that there is no proof either way. So what is the difference.

Yes but there is statistical likelihood. Just like the chance that the atoms in the sky reflect mostly blue light is a very high statistical likelihood and the chance that it reflects purple is a lot lower.

 

[myp]

You are not making a logical arguement, you are saying something that has no evidence can't exist. I am saying with no evedence how can you be so sure

It is simple statistics.

 

[clax]

Yes but there is statistical likelihood. Just like the chance that the atoms in the sky reflect mostly blue light is a very high statistical likelihood and the chance that it reflects purple is a lot lower.

What is color but how our mind inturpits light?

 

[myp]

What is color but how our mind inturpits light?

Different colors are different wavelengths of light. Also you are taking my analogies way too literally. They are analogies.

 

[clax]

It is simple statistics.

I want to see a chart or grahp that shows statistics of god not existing.

You have no proof the fact that you bicker with me continuously shows that you believe God doesn't exist based on not the slightest bit of proof evidence or anything. But your in ability to think there things that are possable, I have said i have no proof, i never persented proof, but one key piece of eveidence is that the univers exists.

If there is no Gkd then why is there a universe

 

[clax]

Different colors are different wavelengths of light. Also you are taking my analogies way too literally. They are analogies.

I have to think like you to be right? That is called bigotry

 

[myp]

I have to think like you to be right? That is called bigotry

No, I am just asking you to take my analogies as analogies and not nit-pick them for irrelevant details.

 

[myp]

I want to see a chart or grahp that shows statistics of god not existing.

There have been plenty of studies. I also said the organized religion God you believe is probably not real (and I think any God who cares about humans)- something like Spinoza's God is much more possible.

 

[clax]

Different colors are different wavelengths of light. Also you are taking my analogies way too literally. They are analogies.

No I am not, you are saying things are what you have no proof of. How do you know that people perceive color exactly as you do? Proove when i look at the sky i dont see purple

 

[myp]

No I am not, you are saying things are what you have no proof of. How do you know that people perceive color exactly as you do? Proove when i look at the sky i dont see purple

You are taking it too literally because that is not the point- it is an analogy. Also, the wavelengths are measurable- I am not talking about perception here. That all said, even the perception is likely very similar due to the similarity in neurophysiological processes. But again, none of that is the point here. It is an ANALOGY.

 

[clax]

You are taking it too literally because that is not the point- it is an analogy. Also, the wavelengths are measurable- I am not talking about perception here. That all said, even the perception is likely very similar due to the similarity in neurophysiological processes. But again, none of that is the point here. It is an ANALOGY.

It is not an analogy, and if it is lets work with it.

An istrument that masures light is supposed to be clarivoiant. It measuers wavelingth not human perception.

It was really my analogy, but it proves that you believe what you are told to, yet i question everything.

You abandon the analogy when it no longer serves your purpose,

How dose a mesuring device know what i see?

 

[clax]

There have been plenty of studies. I also said the organized religion God you believe is probably not real (and I think any God who cares about humans)- something like Spinoza's God is much more possible.

Probably not real? That is nothing. That is heresay. I want to see facts, not probability, you demand facts and ignore probability when i use it.

You are like the catholic church in the 1500s.

Probable cause that God exists, everything else exist, argue that if you can

 

[myp]

Oh brother, I am not arguing with you about this. You might question everything (as do I), but you do not know how to statistically weigh things and you are unfamiliar with a lot of the empirical, analytical, and other research work done in matters including this (existence of God) and monetary economics. Questioning everything is one thing, but after that it is important to do your due diligence and do you homework before you argue such hard-lined positions. I am open to changing my mind even now, but with arguments as you use them, it won't be changed because you do not have anything valid to say.

 

[clax]

Oh brother, I am not arguing with you about this. You might question everything (as do I), but you do not know how to statistically weigh things and you are unfamiliar with a lot of the empirical, analytical, and other research work done in matters including this (existence of God) and monetary economics. Questioning everything is one thing, but after that it is important to do your due diligence and do you homework before you argue such hard-lined positions. I am open to changing my mind even now, but with arguments as you use them, it won't be changed because you do not have anything valid to say.

No you dont, you believe what you are told to. Based on whatever everyone else thinks, you said as much.

You prove you cant think outside of your own opinion because you think mine is undebatable. But my opinion says that I believe in god against the odds. And you cant produce any odds against GOD.

Because you are exactly where i am. You dont know. No man can know.

As for economics, you were basing everything on the dollar, not reality.

Work on your debating skills

 

[clax]

I asked a simple question, how dose a machine, measuring device, other person know what I see, you have failed to answer that