What is God?

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I think it is a good thing you don't get to pick who is qualified to be in any scientific field, you are biased.

So, when your point is dis~proven with pesky facts....it is time to resort to the fallback position and change subjects to something a bit more personal?
 
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What does that even mean? I'm pretty sure all three scientists you just named didn't believe in a personal God despite what you might have heard and I just backed that up. But either way, there are outliers in everything.

I must step back a moment, you said that you don't understand how somebody can believe in God and be a scientist.

This was a brilliant statement. And I must retract my previous statement.

I don't understand how somebody can not believe there is a God when they study the Sciences. the sciences I studied seemed to be indifferent to the existence of a deity, I don't know why it seems to be so important to some people.
 
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So, when your point is dis~proven with pesky facts....it is time to resort to the fallback position and change subjects to something a bit more personal?

nobody ever brought forth a single fact. Just speculation and opinion.
 
Oct 2012
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We don't know many things, i personally doubt the thing we know of ass the universe is the only thing that exists, I don't like limiting understanding. it seems sometimes that people feel the need for limits.

Okay...wait a minute, you make it very clear and in fact somewhat adamant that the universe is all there is, then go on a few posts later to claim you do not think it is?


You say this:
" I don't like limiting understanding. it seems sometimes that people feel the need for limits."

After stating this:
"The universe is all that is, was, or ever will be, galaxy is not a synonym I don't know where you came up with that.

there can't be other universes, because there is only one totality. So beyond photon life span what are the other limits"

Do you see the problem here?
 

myp

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Clax, regardless of what you have learned, you are ignoring or misunderstanding the scientific method. Can you explain to me how one can believe in God if they are following the scientific method?

Just because something calls itself a science doesn't mean it is science.
 
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Clax, regardless of what you have learned, you are ignoring or misunderstanding the scientific method. Can you explain to me how one can believe in God if they are following the scientific method?

Just because something calls itself a science doesn't mean it is science.

Science plays no role in belief
 
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Okay...wait a minute, you make it very clear and in fact somewhat adamant that the universe is all there is, then go on a few posts later to claim you do not think it is?


You say this:

After stating this:

Do you see the problem here?

No, my position is consistent, there are no limits to the universe.
 

myp

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Science plays no role in belief

You didn't answer my question. How can you come to the conclusion that God exists if you are adhering to the scientific method? IF you are saying that you can't, then you agree with me in that believing in God is inconsistent with practicing good science.
 

myp

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No, my position is consistent, there are no limits to the universe.

Sorry but you can't just say it and expect people to believe it. There is too large a body of work and evidence suggesting otherwise- you need to either disprove that and bring us to square one where we don't know or prove something in favor of your argument which can be consistent with other proven findings. This is how science works.
 
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You didn't answer my question. How can you come to the conclusion that God exists if you are adhering to the scientific method? IF you are saying that you can't, then you agree with me in that believing in God is inconsistent with practicing good science.

No, belief in God or not has nothing to do with practicing science. it isn't an either or scenario you are trying to make it into.

i nither agree or disagree the question is irrelevant, being that there is no need for conclusive evidence to believe in something.
 
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Sorry but you can't just say it and expect people to believe it. There is too large a body of work and evidence suggesting otherwise- you need to either disprove that and bring us to square one where we don't know or prove something in favor of your argument which can be consistent with other proven findings. This is how science works.

there is no evidence suggesting anything, merely speculation and opinion.
 
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No, my position is consistent, there are no limits to the universe.

You are welcome to this "Opinion"...just as those studying M~theory...Q~theory...String Theory...and Quantum Mechanics are welcome to theirs.

Thing is...Opinion without Data behind it does not compel.
 

myp

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No, belief in God or not has nothing to do with practicing science. it isn't an either or scenario you are trying to make it into.

The scientific method and science is a way of thought so of course it is. It is one of the reasons so many scientists historically have had an issue believing in a personal God. It isn't just a coincidence that so many scientists are atheists or agnostics.
 
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You are welcome to this "Opinion"...just as those studying M~theory...Q~theory...String Theory...and Quantum Mechanics are welcome to theirs.

Thing is...Opinion without Data behind it does not compel.

What data compels you to assume the universe is finite?
 

myp

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there is no evidence suggesting anything, merely speculation and opinion.

It really annoys me when you do this clax. You do this a lot when it comes to technical topics- our discussion on monetary policy comes to mind. You can't just say no evidence exists because you haven't seen it. It does exist and it is out there on the internet for you to do a quick search with. The Hubble telescope has proven that other galaxies are getting farther than us amongst many, many other pieces of proof that show the universe is expanding. It is hard data.
 
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The scientific method and science is a way of thought so of course it is. It is one of the reasons so many scientists historically have had an issue believing in a personal God. It isn't just a coincidence that so many scientists are atheists or agnostics.

The way of thought? That sounds like a religious declaration to me. It is the way you think.

There is no real way to determine weather or not somebody has a personal belief in God. Perhaps having peers that ridicule belief in God is motivation to not openly discuss it.
 
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nobody ever brought forth a single fact. Just speculation and opinion.

The nature of the beast, yes?

Clax, regardless of what you have learned, you are ignoring or misunderstanding the scientific method. Can you explain to me how one can believe in God if they are following the scientific method?

Just because something calls itself a science doesn't mean it is science.

I think I understand your ref. myp. But just to throw another wrench into the conversation, isn't it more likely that all the evidence that exists really does suggest a misinterpretation of facts, rather than a denial of them? I would argue that the historical references in the Bible, if true, have been misunderstood and assigned meaning that they shouldn't have been. Chariots of Fire? The burning bush, manna from heaven. The parting of the Red Sea. All of these events have been perceived in human context. Picture a Roman chariot streaking across the sky being pulled by flying horses....really?

I personally believe mankind has created myth out of fact in an effort to feel secure in it's existence, and to control society, not to discern the truth.

In my opinion, having studied archaeology in a religious context, the truth is most likely where the two intersect.
 
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What data compels you to assume the universe is finite?

Having spent time evaluating more than a few theoretical physics papers I have come to the conclusion that the Membrane idea has merit. I do not claim to base my opinion on verified data, but instead on an accumulation of studies and theories pointing to a possible answer.
 

myp

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The way of thought? That sounds like a religious declaration to me. It is the way you think.

A way of thought is not a religion. You can think mathematically. You can think philosophically. You can think spontaneously. Etc. It is not religion. You just don't seem to understand the scientific method.

And either way, even if you were right and picking that way of thought was religion, that way of thought is science so my point that believing in God is not scientific still holds.
 

myp

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I think I understand your ref. myp. But just to throw another wrench into the conversation, isn't it more likely that all the evidence that exists really does suggest a misinterpretation of facts, rather than a denial of them? I would argue that the historical references in the Bible, if true, have been misunderstood and assigned meaning that they shouldn't have been. Chariots of Fire? The burning bush, manna from heaven. The parting of the Red Sea. All of these events have been perceived in human context. Picture a Roman chariot streaking across the sky being pulled by flying horses....really?

I personally believe mankind has created myth out of fact in an effort to feel secure in it's existence, and to control society, not to discern the truth.

In my opinion, having studied archaeology in a religious context, the truth is most likely where the two intersect.

Most things are possible. But most things are not probable. While your theory is possible, I do not find it probable and even if it were, if one were to follow the scientific method, they could not arrive at the conclusion that God exists even with your theory. Unless there was further proof of course.
 
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