Piers Morgan Deports? for what ** you may be offended **

[whocky]

Hi all

I will first just add that i am from the UK. Now with that been said are you really against Piers Morgan? He wants tougher laws on guns and thinks that the people that should have semi-automatics are the police and army and quite frankly i agree.

I'm not interested in what laws the Americans have on guns, to be honest I am unaware of them, but from an outsider anyone can have a gun and to be honest it is just plain crazy.

We have a lot of people in the world that will kill at the flick of a switch and do Americans have to make it that much easier and let people buy guns?

Look at the shooting at Connecticut school and the one after it with the two firemen this on it's own speaks volumes.

Piers Morgan is right in what he is saying and i think the Americans don't like it. The guns should be left to the professionals and only them.

Have a read at this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...piers-morgan-demands-us-petition-8430877.html

You know i am right?

 

[myp]

Lol, he isn't going to be deported. I think those who signed this are forgetting our first amendment...

 

[clax]

Nothing makes a professional any more equipped to have a gun.

The guns used in CT shooting were illegally ordained.

 

[myp]

Nothing makes a professional any more equipped to have a gun.

The guns used in CT shooting were illegally ordained.

Didn't you just contradict yourself?

 

[chris7375]

I don't agree with his stance on guns. Though it is his right to have and speak his opinion. Though he forgets he is no longer in England. England crime statistics based on UN reports puts the UK higher then the US on many violent crimes. The only violent crime we do excel at is firearms and it is not as high as people love to make out to be.

You can look up the crime stats on this site and their stats are the UN stats.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/uk-united-kingdom/cri-crime

 

[clax]

Didn't you just contradict yourself?

No, I don't know how.

 

[chris7375]

Nothing makes a professional any more equipped to have a gun.

The guns used in CT shooting were illegally ordained.

How were they Illegally Ordained? I must say this has me a little confused sorry.

 

[clax]

How were they Illegally Ordained? I must say this has me a little confused sorry.

I meant to write obtained.

 

[chris7375]

I meant to write obtained.

Ok lol I thought so but wanted to be sure. How did he illegal obtain them. His mother failed to properly lock those guns up.

From what I have read she was not all that concerned and she did not safe guard the guns all that well.

They were in the house he shared and he had the ability to take the guns.

To me that is not illegally obtaining a gun. Illegally obtaining a gun is going and getting a gun from an illegal dealer or stealing the gun.

In all honesty he was able to use the guns whenever and could pull them out whenever.

To me it is the failure of the mother.

 

[clax]

Ok lol I thought so but wanted to be sure. How did he illegal obtain them. His mother failed to properly lock those guns up.

From what I have read she was not all that concerned and she did not safe guard the guns all that well.

They were in the house he shared and he had the ability to take the guns.

To me that is not illegally obtaining a gun. Illegally obtaining a gun is going and getting a gun from an illegal dealer or stealing the gun.

In all honesty he was able to use the guns whenever and could pull them out whenever.

To me it is the failure of the mother.

He was under 21 he couldn't legally have the pistol. They keep calling the rifle he used an "assault rifle" it isn't legal to own them in the state of Connecticut. But the designation "assault weapon" is meaningless.

They were not handled properly, that is his mothers fault, but that doesn't mean they are his, he couldn't own them. He stole them, the fact that his mother didn't lock them up doesn't mean that they were his to take.

 

[myp]

No, I don't know how.

You said there is nothing that makes a professional more equipped to have a gun and then you said the teen obtained the gun illegally because his mom didn't lock it up properly. His mom was not a professional. Would a professional have been so loosey-goosey with how he kept his guns?

 

[chris7375]

He was under 21 he couldn't legally have the pistol. They keep calling the rifle he used an "assault rifle" it isn't legal to own them in the state of Connecticut. But the designation "assault weapon" is meaningless.

They were not handled properly, that is his mothers fault, but that doesn't mean they are his, he couldn't own them. He stole them, the fact that his mother didn't lock them up doesn't mean that they were his to take.

The rifle is legal that was owned because it was semi automatic. The are calling it an assault rifle because it looks like an M-16 a little. The gun actually was sold out in many gun stores after the incident due to the fact people figured they would make it illegal.

Though at the time of the shooting the rifle was legal to own and I believe it still is at this point.

The handgun though was his mothers as was the rifle. Again she failed to secure them properly and it falls on her. He did not steal the guns he did not own the gun he used what his mom left out. He was illegally in possession of the handgun I will concede that point. The rifle though you can own a rifle at 12 as soon as you obtain your hunting license. I had several when I was a kid. They were mine I bought 2 of them myself and 2 were given to me as presents.

So the rifle I would beg to disagree.

 

[clax]

You said there is nothing that makes a professional more equipped to have a gun and then you said the teen obtained the gun illegally because his mom didn't lock it up properly. His mom was not a professional. Would a professional have been so loosey-goosey with how he kept his guns?

Some are, exactly why I say nothing makes a professional more qualified.

A professional what gun handler? Because police are not professional gun handlers. They are just like anybody else, every demographic every culture, every level of humanity.

I think the statement is odd. Professionals, what professionals?

 

[Cerise]

What it boils down to though surely is that there were firearms in his home and he knew where to find them. Presumably he would have been told their whereabouts so as to defend himself against whatever it is everyone fears will happen?
If the weapons should have been locked away then what is the point of having them then? You can't have it both ways...either they are a danger or they are not.

 

[chris7375]

What it boils down to though surely is that there were firearms in his home and he knew where to find them. Presumably he would have been told their whereabouts so as to defend himself against whatever it is everyone fears will happen?
If the weapons should have been locked away then what is the point of having them then? You can't have it both ways...either they are a danger or they are not.

Here is my point I have several weapons. All but one are locked away. The one that is not locked away the kids don't know I have and the could not find it unless they watched me get it. It is a gun I use in case of break-in. Could they find it I would have to say know because I have it in a secure drawer in my bed that can't be seen and they would have to find the button to unlock the drawer.

I don't open it when they are around I do it when they are gone. The problem with the CT shooting is that we will never know what set him off. If it was mental then his mother should have known better then to leave weapons out in the open more or less.

 

[David]

What it boils down to though surely is that there were firearms in his home and he knew where to find them. Presumably he would have been told their whereabouts so as to defend himself against whatever it is everyone fears will happen?
If the weapons should have been locked away then what is the point of having them then? You can't have it both ways...either they are a danger or they are not.

This is why guns should be regulated but not banned. Keep the crazies at bay but if the time comes, have them handy.

 

[tecoyah]

....agreed

 

[Cerise]

This is why guns should be regulated but not banned. Keep the crazies at bay but if the time comes, have them handy.

But dont you think its more risky? An awful lot of people have a temper that can get very high. If there's a gun in the house then regulated or not its an incident waiting to happen.

 

[David]

But dont you think its more risky? An awful lot of people have a temper that can get very high. If there's a gun in the house then regulated or not its an incident waiting to happen.

Then ban cars. Road rage kills more people then guns ever have.

 

[Cerise]

Then ban cars. Road rage kills more people then guns ever have.

I find that impossible to believe.