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Jan 2012
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Yea, never said that. Like many other things you claim as true, this was nothing more than a figment of your imagination. Go read the posts if you want to double check. Here, I'll make it easy for you: http://www.politicalfray.com/showpost.php?p=36553&postcount=33

Says nothing about preferring to be stabbed or shot.

A knife takes longer to use for one. It also leaves a blind side when you are knifing someone. I don't know about you, but if I was head to head with a killer or as in this instance many of us were head to head with 1 killer, I would rather him have a knife than a gun because I know my chances would be much greater in that scenario. A gun is more deadly than a knife.

You said this, based on nothing, no education no experience. A knife doesn't take longer, that was nonsense, a stab to you're face will kill you before you hot the ground, so long as it is in the right place kind of like a gunshot.

A gun isn't more deadly than a knife that is not a fact. You lack the education necessary to know how wrong that was.

Further more you responded to my response saying something about killing 27 people, really unrelated to your ignorant post
 

myp

Jan 2009
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I disagree banning the tool is not the answer.

How can you go into a discussion with such a strong assumption? Given that the variables can change in any case, I don't see how you can make such an absolute statement. Both sides do this. And that is what I am saying is wrong.

The reality is much more complex and will vary based on the region, policy, etc.
 
Jan 2012
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How can you go into a discussion with such a strong assumption? Given that the variables can change in any case, I don't see how you can make such an absolute statement. Both sides do this. And that is what I am saying is wrong.

The reality is much more complex and will vary based on the region, policy, etc.

It is much more complex, lets discuss it. but Chris is right banning legal ownership of a tool in this case a weapon, will not solve anything.

I am ready to discuss these complexities which hi believe are deep in the root of the minds of Americans in general.
 
Jun 2012
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How can you go into a discussion with such a strong assumption? Given that the variables can change in any case, I don't see how you can make such an absolute statement. Both sides do this. And that is what I am saying is wrong.

The reality is much more complex and will vary based on the region, policy, etc.

That is easy you ask how can I make such a statement. I can make it looking at how the founders included that in the right as part of the Constitution. This was a right they felt we should have. So I can make the statement based on that.

You are talking about banning the tool not resolving the problem of how to keep it out of the wrong peoples hands. I don't see legislation to do that do you? I see the blame being place on a piece of machined metal.

It was not the gun that killed those children but the person behind it.
 
Jan 2012
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That is easy you ask how can I make such a statement. I can make it looking at how the founders included that in the right as part of the Constitution. This was a right they felt we should have. So I can make the statement based on that.

You are talking about banning the tool not resolving the problem of how to keep it out of the wrong peoples hands. I don't see legislation to do that do you? I see the blame being place on a piece of machined metal.

It was not the gun that killed those children but the person behind it.

I don't think myp wants to ban guns. He has made reference to "assault weapon" which has no real meaning, not one that I can deduce anyway.

Not sure about you but I personally think something needs to be done about the assault part of it.
 
Jun 2012
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I don't think myp wants to ban guns. He has made reference to "assault weapon" which has no real meaning, not one that I can deduce anyway.

Not sure about you but I personally think something needs to be done about the assault part of it.

Well assault could include all guns as well as knives also. So they would need to clearly define assault. As of right now a lot of guns are being defined as assault weapons.

Again still they skirt the issue in my book they fail to solve the real problem keeping the guns from enter the wrong people's hands.
 
Feb 2012
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They don't have school/public knifings where x-xx people die multiple times every year. I am not sure the numbers, but I would guess that their mass murder rate has gone down. Murder rate is a whole other story- but the killing on one person is very different than going to a public place and opening fire at anyone in sight.

Massacres..please bear in mind this incudes IRA terrorist actions...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland
 
Feb 2012
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Question please......IF your constitution didnt mention the 'right' to have guns, if it had never been a part, would you still think it a good idea to arm everyone?
I ask because a lot of the argument in favour of keeping guns contains the 'I have a right, the Constitution says so' phrase.What if that wasn't there?
 
Oct 2012
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We would be a far less violent nation....in my opinion.

Armed man has drunken argument with bigger man.
Man shoots bigger man.

Unarmed man has drunken argument with bigger man.
Man gets his ass kicked, or walks away.
 
Jun 2012
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We would be a far less violent nation....in my opinion.

Armed man has drunken argument with bigger man.
Man shoots bigger man.

Unarmed man has drunken argument with bigger man.
Man gets his ass kicked, or walks away.

I disagree with that we would be just as violent but other means would be used. The problem again is not the Gun but Human Nature.

People would find other means to kill people such as beating to death which happens now.

Take the gun out of the equation another weapon would be put in its place.
 
Oct 2012
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A violent human with a sword, knife, or 6 shots will inevitably be less violent (Cause less damage) than the same human with an automatic weapon carrying a 30 round clip.

Simple Math.
 
Jul 2009
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A violent human with a sword, knife, or 6 shots will inevitably be less violent (Cause less damage) than the same human with an automatic weapon carrying a 30 round clip.

Simple Math.

Statistics disagree with you. Most gun violence is done with pistols and shotguns.
 
Jun 2012
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A violent human with a sword, knife, or 6 shots will inevitably be less violent (Cause less damage) than the same human with an automatic weapon carrying a 30 round clip.

Simple Math.

I disagree the gun is more efficient yes but is a relatively new weapon. Though before its creation people were just as violent without them as they were with them.

People been killing people for thousands of years without guns just fine. The only difference now is that we keep track of who was killed by what.

People are the problem not the tools used. People been killing with clubs, and sharp stones formed into crude knives and spears. Then science invents a more efficient way to kill people we create swords, knives, bows and arrows. So we start killing each other with those. The science create another more effective way for us to dispatch each other gun powder. With this Guns, Cannons are created to kill people. Then from there we have just perfected the use of Guns, and made cannons more efficient by creating tanks and Warships, and Missile's.

What makes me laugh about this whole debate is everyone for reform is arguing to ban certain or all guns yet not one argue's the real problem. It is not the gun but the person. You reform the way people can obtain guns. It is not the tools fault those children are dead it was the person using it.

How did he obtain those guns from his mother who is basically at fault for not securing them properly. Killing has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years the only reason people are up in arms is because we now keep track of what happens in the world.

I don't mean to sound mean or cruel but those kids have not been the first kids slaughtered by guns in the world and they won't be the last it is a fact of life. What I see is people just don't know how to come to terms with it.
 

myp

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That is easy you ask how can I make such a statement. I can make it looking at how the founders included that in the right as part of the Constitution. This was a right they felt we should have. So I can make the statement based on that.

That is you interpretation of it. No where does it say all guns should be allowed. The court system- who the Constitution leaves it to decide when there are disagreements like this- seems to agree, at least with the regulations currently on the books.

You are talking about banning the tool not resolving the problem of how to keep it out of the wrong peoples hands. I don't see legislation to do that do you? I see the blame being place on a piece of machined metal.
Both can help. Just like how you want to keep nuclear bombs out of the hands of less stable states like North Korea...

It was not the gun that killed those children but the person behind it.
But without the gun it would have been much harder to kill as many or even any.
 
Jun 2012
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That is you interpretation of it. No where does it say all guns should be allowed. The court system- who the Constitution leaves it to decide when there are disagreements like this- seems to agree, at least with the regulations currently on the books.

Yet where does it say to regulate the right to bear arms? SCOTUS has done so many Unconstitutional ruling they have lost a lot of credibility. Last time I look our government has grown into a monster no one can control. The system of checks and balances that were set up have failed beyond count now. Again you all fail to look at the real problem in regulating how people get the guns not the banning of the guns.


Both can help. Just like how you want to keep nuclear bombs out of the hands of less stable states like North Korea...


But without the gun it would have been much harder to kill as many or even any.

Again it is not the tool but human nature that is the problem. What are you going to do when science creates a weapon more efficient then the gun. The right to bear arms was given to us to protect us not from one another but from the government. It has evolved over time to both though.

People been killing each other before guns with swords and knives and they probably did it just as efficiently as today. The problem is we will never know because records were not kept like they are today.

So if you ban guns you should also ban knives, swords, and axes because they killed plenty of people before guns were around. Ban bats and clubs because I am sure they killed plenty of people before knives were around.

The only thing the gun did was make killing a bit more efficient. Take them away and knives will become just as efficient a weapons as guns are now.
 
Jun 2012
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This is ignoring my point....A clip containing 30 shots can cause more damage than six.

Yet it doesn't because statistics say otherwise. What you are basically it could happen. but if we live with always with the mindset "If this Happens" we never progress.
 

myp

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Yet it doesn't because statistics say otherwise. What you are basically it could happen. but if we live with always with the mindset "If this Happens" we never progress.

What statistics? David's statistic isn't relevant to this because more people have pistols than an automatic. Just because there are more crimes with pistols does not make them more damaging than automatics. Let's put it this way- if there were an even amount of autos and pistols, the autos would far outgun the pistols. By the logic you and David as using here, one can argue that pencils are more damaging than nuclear bombs if you use the last 50 years as data. What does that even mean?
 
Oct 2012
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What statistics? David's statistic isn't relevant to this because more people have pistols than an automatic. Just because there are more crimes with pistols does not make them more damaging than automatics. Let's put it this way- if there were an even amount of autos and pistols, the autos would far outgun the pistols. By the logic you and David as using here, one can argue that pencils are more damaging than nuclear bombs if you use the last 50 years as data. What does that even mean?

....+1...

Could not have said it better myself...in fact I obviously didn't
 
Jun 2012
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What statistics? David's statistic isn't relevant to this because more people have pistols than an automatic. Just because there are more crimes with pistols does not make them more damaging than automatics. Let's put it this way- if there were an even amount of autos and pistols, the autos would far outgun the pistols. By the logic you and David as using here, one can argue that pencils are more damaging than nuclear bombs if you use the last 50 years as data. What does that even mean?

Semi automatic have clips of 20 rounds I can buy bigger clips if I so choose too. So having 30 rounds or fifteen rounds makes little to know difference. the average reload time on a 9mm is in between 1.5 to 1.8 seconds.

So having a bigger clip is not the issue either. unless I took and read the statement wrong.

Damage can be done whether the clip holds 10, 15, 20, 30 rounds.
 
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