2012 election, What do you think

David said:

Once upon a time... Democratic-Republican Party. Republicans split and joined the Wigs.

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I suppose, however close they are or become, they can't literally join - you know, so as to maintain the charade of actual changes in what's going on.

DodgeFB said:

If the crowd in power now keep doing what they are trying to do the Republicans will be in power quicker than you think. The older people vote and this crowd is messing with Medicare and Social Security. That scares a lot of older people and makes them mad.

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So? You know, why should Government care about what the people think? People are basically a secondary consideration. Besides which, there is overwhelming public support for a social health care system. But, you know, that offer's not even on the table.

The Government is bending over backwards to make conditions as favourable for corporate industry as possible. You know, the whole "public option" paradigm. And health insurance industries are actually foaming at the mouths, because they even admit that private companies can't compete with it. That's essentially saying "we're so cumbersome and inefficient that you'll need to level the playing field for us" - and the Government (being business-friendly) is only too happy to do this. I don't need to tell you that this will only make it more expensive, rather than the money- and life-saving option it would otherwise be.

The fact is, you know, the less you intend to do about something, the more you have to talk about it. The whole "revolutionising healthcare" is basically complete farce. They're only going to extend the existing structures. A public healthcare system or, you know, a system that involves actually doing something about the fact that the US has the highest expenditure on health in the world! And frankly has... very little to show for it. A system that could remedy that would be something of a godsend, at least, it would be if the US was a democracy. I mean, God forbid elected representatives actually did something! Other than, you know, lying, cheating, stealing and killing or whatever.

Dirk said:

The US is a one-party state.

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Maybe almost so, since the Republican Party seems to be in the doldrums for now, but give it time and then it may change to the usual 2-party again. The Democrats were in the same position in 2000. So maybe one can even say that they are at the opposites of one another's situations, for now Democrats are doing very well, but similar to the Republicans when they had been doing well, the Republicans will feed off every mistake the Democrats will made from hereon forward. Until the Republicans are in good shape again. Almost like see-saw.

Dirk said:

I suppose, however close they are or become, they can't literally join - you know, so as to maintain the charade of actual changes in what's going on.

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No, no. The Democratic-Republican Party (the modern day Democratic Party though they were referred to as Republicans at the time) was an American political party back in the day. The Republicans got tired of party policies and defected to the Wigs for a short time, thus creating the Democratic Party. Once the Wigs started to die out, thanks in part to the Know Nothing Party (yes, that was their name) they formed a new party based on the ideals of a democratic republic which they called the Republican Party.

I'm obviously assuming that you thought I was saying they should merge. If I misunderstood your response, disregard.

David said:

No, no. The Democratic-Republican Party (the modern day Democratic Party though they were referred to as Republicans at the time) was an American political party back in the day. The Republicans got tired of party policies and defected to the Wigs for a short time, thus creating the Democratic Party. Once the Wigs started to die out, thanks in part to the Know Nothing Party (yes, that was their name) they formed a new party based on the ideals of a democratic republic which they called the Republican Party.

I'm obviously assuming that you thought I was saying they should merge. If I misunderstood your response, disregard.

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Well, i figured you were talking about a past party. No worries there.

Though i was suggesting that these days, they're so similar, they may as well merge. And was then considering the political implications of such a maneouvre.

Dirk said:

Well, i figured you were talking about a past party. No worries there.

Though i was suggesting that these days, they're so similar, they may as well merge. And was then considering the political implications of such a maneouvre.

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Ha! If they did that 1 of 2 things would happen. 1. The major American parties would be the merged D/R, the LP and the SP USA. 2. (And I find this 1 more likely) The illusion of a multi party state is shattered resulting in revolution, ether Fascist, socialist/communist or both.

Dirk, great info supplied. Very interesting point in history. You definitely got it right about the Republicans abandoning their platform.

Right Guard said:

the people will see what he is.

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And what might that be? Is this another one of those conspiracy theories?

They will throw their support to Sarah Palin in a heartbeat.

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I doubt that. Obama was a very strategic choice. He's not in the Republican party, which got him support from the Left. He's also not a liberal, which got him support from the Right. It's quite clever, really. Fielding such a partial candidate as Sarah Palin actually hurt the cause of the Right.

Already there is talk to send Sarah Palin the $5.00 instead of sending it to Obama.

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If there is, they're missing the point. You guys really need democracy. So do we, for that matter.

I favor locking the doors and sending all of them left and right home. Start out the new year with a completely new group picked at random from the unemployed.

DodgeFB said:

I favor locking the doors and sending all of them left and right home. Start out the new year with a completely new group picked at random from the unemployed.

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That would be a huge improvement, I daresay. One problem. Who chooses?

Dirk said:

That would be a huge improvement, I daresay. One problem. Who chooses?

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Maybe have a drawing. Pull Social Security numbers.

DodgeFB said:

I favor locking the doors and sending all of them left and right home. Start out the new year with a completely new group picked at random from the unemployed.

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Good idea. Maybe everyone should go back to the days of the Founding Fathers and draw up everything from scratch. The political system has to be in a rut.

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