Abu Hamza arrives at RAF Mildenhall for US extradition

Cerise · Oct 6, 2012

a777pilot said:
Wait just one cotton pickin minute.....

Did you just state that gun ownership is "Not necessary"?

Please explain that one to me. If you mean that you and you alone feel it is not necessary for you, then OK, but if you mean it is just not necessary for all then you are way off base.

You asked my view of the right to own and have guns. Its not necessary for a civilian to have a gun. If I want to have one then I can apply for a permit and follow the rules etc but its un-necessary for me and others like me to have one. Who am I going to shoot?

Cerise · Oct 6, 2012

A shame that the question of why replica guns and CS gas cannisters have a place in a Mosque hasnt been answered. Perhaps he opted out?

a777pilot · Oct 6, 2012

I have guns. I've been around guns all my life. If you don't want one then fine but don't try to keep me from having one. Actually I have many guns.

Cerise · Oct 6, 2012

a777pilot said:
I have guns. I've been around guns all my life. If you don't want one then fine but don't try to keep me from having one. Actually I have many guns.

I understand that most Americans do. I havent been around guns all my life and have never owned one....we both made it this far

Giap · Oct 6, 2012

clax said:
He was convicted of being aterrorist. Stop pretending he wasnt.

I didnt make that up, its a fact, you need to deal with it.

He was not convicted of being a terrorist at all, you are just making things up.

Giap · Oct 6, 2012

a777pilot said:
As usual you are wrong. The greatest terrorists are the muslims.

I think you will find that America is the biggest terrorist and the stats prove that beyond a doubt.

Giap · Oct 6, 2012

clax said:
He is an Afghan, who hates Americans, in this thread he called us stupid. He isn't worth a response.

I am not an Afghan, seems you believe that a flag represents where I come from, so if I put up a flag from santa claus land you would be calling me a santa.

Giap · Oct 6, 2012

Lets weight it up, how many countries have the American government overthrown the governments of? Now how many have the Muslim terrorists? 1-0 to the Americans. How many people have the Americans killed? Now how many have Muslim terrorists killed? 2-0 to the Americans. How many civilians have the Americans killed? How many have the Muslim terrorists killed? 3-0 to the Americans? How many times have the Muslim terrorists been convicted in the ICC? How many times have the Americans been convicted? 4-0 to the Americans.. I rest my case.

clax · Oct 6, 2012

Giap said:
I am not an Afghan, seems you believe that a flag represents where I come from, so if I put up a flag from santa claus land you would be calling me a santa.

You are either afgan or a liar.

clax · Oct 6, 2012

Giap said:
I think you will find that America is the biggest terrorist and the stats prove that beyond a doubt.

I can name fifty muslim terrorists, of course you dont think they are because you are a sympithiser. Plus there are lots of americans that are muslim.

David · Oct 6, 2012

a777pilot said:
No, not at all. In fact atheism is a more logical religion than islam.

Atheism isn't a religion. That's like calling theism a religion.

clax · Oct 6, 2012

David said:
Atheism isn't a religion. That's like calling theism a religion.

I would have to agree, atheisum is not a religion. You can be religious and atheist. If there iss no thiological being in a religion. Atheiests have beliefs but nihilists sometimes hijack that term. Theist means supporter of supreme being, atheist means not a supporter of a supreme being, thats it, nothing more or less.

If you don't believe in anything you are a nilist, that is a religion.

Cerise · Oct 7, 2012

Giap said:
I think you will find that America is the biggest terrorist and the stats prove that beyond a doubt.

Can we be clear what a terrorist is please?
A terrorist is a person who uses or advocates terrorism... a radical who employs terror as a 'weapon'

Perhaps you can explain why the CS gas cannisters and replica guns had a place in a Mosque. Is that normal practice or should we assume some darker motive?

clax · Oct 7, 2012

Cerise said:
Can we be clear what a terrorist is please?
A terrorist is a person who uses or advocates terrorism... a radical who employs terror as a 'weapon'

Perhaps you can explain why the CS gas cannisters and replica guns had a place in a Mosque. Is that normal practice or should we assume some darker motive?

I really think he is a terrorist sympathizer. Of course the US is bad if you agree with "jihad"against all non muslims.

Giap · Oct 7, 2012

Cerise said:
Can we be clear what a terrorist is please?
A terrorist is a person who uses or advocates terrorism... a radical who employs terror as a 'weapon'

A terrorist is someone or a country that employs terror tactics to achieve its aims, just like America does. Actually if you go read the American government definition of terrorism then it describes them to a tee.

Perhaps you can explain why the CS gas cannisters and replica guns had a place in a Mosque. Is that normal practice or should we assume some darker motive?

Being in possession of those items does not make you a terrorist. Now if they had real guns and real bombs then you might have an argument but being as they never you don't. Apart from Abu Hamza who has not been convicted of terrorism all the other guys deported to America have been in prison for years without trial because the British government had no evidence against them otherwise they would have been prosecuted in the UK.

clax · Oct 7, 2012

Giap said:
A terrorist is someone or a country that employs terror tactics to achieve its aims, just like America does. Actually if you go read the American government definition of terrorism then it describes them to a tee.

Being in possession of those items does not make you a terrorist. Now if they had real guns and real bombs then you might have an argument but being as they never you don't. Apart from Abu Hamza who has not been convicted of terrorism all the other guys deported to America have been in prison for years without trial because the British government had no evidence against them otherwise they would have been prosecuted in the UK.

Its obvious you have a problem with the west, thats okay. But we are going to act in our own best interests, if that means suspinding human rights when dealing with a suspected or convicted terrorist so be it. And if you want to cry about it then go ahead. But that doesnt stop it. Your "information" is not supported nor are you convencing anyone that we should see it from your point of view.

Please keep going on and on about how much you dislike america, and how terrorists should not be called terrorists. Its really telling of who our enemies are.

Cerise · Oct 7, 2012

Giap said:
A terrorist is someone or a country that employs terror tactics to achieve its aims, just like America does. Actually if you go read the American government definition of terrorism then it describes them to a tee.

Being in possession of those items does not make you a terrorist. Now if they had real guns and real bombs then you might have an argument but being as they never you don't. Apart from Abu Hamza who has not been convicted of terrorism all the other guys deported to America have been in prison for years without trial because the British government had no evidence against them otherwise they would have been prosecuted in the UK.

You still havent answered the question of why a Mosque has CS gas and replica guns inside. Is that common place then?

Please read up on extradition. Its a wonderful thing really but unfortunatley it takes too long sometimes before it can legally happen.

Im not sure how you see America using terror tactics as I dont recall any American soldiers being suicide bombers on underground trains or London buses. Please read up on 7/7.

Giap · Oct 7, 2012

Cerise said:
You still havent answered the question of why a Mosque has CS gas and replica guns inside. Is that common place then?

Please read up on extradition. Its a wonderful thing really but unfortunatley it takes too long sometimes before it can legally happen.

Im not sure how you see America using terror tactics as I dont recall any American soldiers being suicide bombers on underground trains or London buses. Please read up on 7/7.

You should read up on American history, you can start with killing off the Indians and work your way thru.

Giap · Oct 7, 2012

clax said:
Its obvious you have a problem with the west, thats okay. But we are going to act in our own best interests, if that means suspinding human rights when dealing with a suspected or convicted terrorist so be it. And if you want to cry about it then go ahead. But that doesnt stop it. Your "information" is not supported nor are you convencing anyone that we should see it from your point of view.

Please keep going on and on about how much you dislike america, and how terrorists should not be called terrorists. Its really telling of who our enemies are.

So you support suspending peoples human rights. Says it all really.

clax · Oct 7, 2012

Giap said:
So you support suspending peoples human rights. Says it all really.

If there is reason to suspect they plan to attack our people, yes. Yes I do.

I actually as an agent of government suspend certian rights whensomeone is suspected of commiting crimes.

Its called order. You need that to have peace.