Actual Debate#3 Fiscal Cliff/slope/speed bump...whatever

Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
Okay, as I see it we can either allow the crap our congress agreed to, or prevent it if needed through emergency measures. If we do slide down the slope, there is a risk of great damage to our Economy, bordering on default.

In order to avoid this possibly destructive result, our elected officials need to work together and do their freakin' jobs.

So....the question.

How does this get solved, and who is to blame if we do not?
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Okay, as I see it we can either allow the crap our congress agreed to, or prevent it if needed through emergency measures. If we do slide down the slope, there is a risk of great damage to our Economy, bordering on default.

In order to avoid this possibly destructive result, our elected officials need to work together and do their freakin' jobs.

So....the question.

How does this get solved, and who is to blame if we do not?

The Marxist is planning on his willing accomplices in the left media shifting blame to the Republicans.

Republicans will be blamed either way. My advice is do the right thing and let us go over the cliff. Millions who pay no federal income taxes will suddenly discover that they voted for a liar who promised them a ride at someone else's expense.
 
Oct 2012
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1,084
Louisville, Ky
The Marxist is planning on his willing accomplices in the left media shifting blame to the Republicans.

Republicans will be blamed either way. My advice is do the right thing and let us go over the cliff. Millions who pay no federal income taxes will suddenly discover that they voted for a liar who promised them a ride at someone else's expense.

I have no idea who the "Marxists" are...though you are obviously caling all who do not agree with you to be such.

Great technique for actual debates.

And, just as a point...the folks you have decided to portray as the guilt
y (paying no income tax)...will continue to do so after Jan 1st, and continue to "Ride at My expense".

Until you somehow manage to get beyond a taking point mentality...you really should not attempt to debate in these threads.
 
Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
Okay, as I see it we can either allow the crap our congress agreed to, or prevent it if needed through emergency measures. If we do slide down the slope, there is a risk of great damage to our Economy, bordering on default.

In order to avoid this possibly destructive result, our elected officials need to work together and do their freakin' jobs.

So....the question.

How does this get solved, and who is to blame if we do not?

I think they're just going to end up cancelling the Budget Control Act. All that really was anyway was a dog and pony show to "convince" the public that they were trying to address a problem. Now we're being told that the solution is actually the problem, causing a "fiscal cliff". If they just cancel what was a meaningless act then things go back to the way they always wanted them anyway.
 
Oct 2012
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1,084
Louisville, Ky
That could work...this year.

Sucks next year, when we do it all over again.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
I have no idea who the "Marxists" are...though you are obviously caling all who do not agree with you to be such.
Let us begin with the One, our Dear Leader, Barack Hussein Obama.

Great technique for actual debates.

And, just as a point...the folks you have decided to portray as the guilt
y (paying no income tax)...will continue to do so after Jan 1st, and continue to "Ride at My expense".

Until you somehow manage to get beyond a taking point mentality...you really should not attempt to debate in these threads.

You asked a question. I answered it. What should we do and who should we blame? We, meaning the Republican House should pass a budget and send it to the Senate. It should further reduce the tax rates on the middle 60% of tax payers. I would not benefit from it. We, meaning the Republican House, should leave tax rates and current tax law, just as they are for the top and bottom fifths. We, meaning the Republican House, should continue defense spending at current levels in the absence of a serious budget proposal.

And then allow the Democrats and the Marxist (see above, Barack Hussein Obama, or if you prefer Franklin Delano Obama) to take us over the so-called fiscal cliff. As I understand it today the ten million or so low income former tax payers will suddenly discover they are tax payers once again. That will be a good thing.
 
Dec 2012
518
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Madison, AL
Okay, as I see it we can either allow the crap our congress agreed to, or prevent it if needed through emergency measures. If we do slide down the slope, there is a risk of great damage to our Economy, bordering on default.
Since the One, our Dear Leader, FDO, the Marxist as I affectionately call him, has taken no steps to actually improve the economy how will you know there is damage?

Will we suddenly increase unemployment to levels found in other European-style socialist countries like Greece, Spain, and France? Isn't high unemployment the intended result? It kept FDR in power for 12 years. And so far the same tactic is keeping FDO in power as well.

In order to avoid this possibly destructive result, our elected officials need to work together and do their freakin' jobs.
The job the Republican House is there to do is to stop FDO from doing any more damage to the nation. I hope they succeed. I feat that Boehner, the Speaker of the House, is more interested in preserving his power, than in preserving the nation and defending the Constitution against all of its enemies, especially, the president. So we have a point of agreement. We both hope the Congress, and especially the House, will do its job.

So....the question.

How does this get solved, and who is to blame if we do not?
LOL. Leftists are always looking for someone to blame.

The House needs to pass yet another budget and send it to the Senate.
 
May 2009
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USA
What is needed is compromise. Virtue is inviolate; everything else can be compromised. In the give and take of daily life, there must be some give to facilitate the take at the end of the day. For those unwilling to give, theirs is a one-sided bargain, for a contract requires a mutual exchange. In the conflict of competing interests, to be willing to compromise is not weakness but strength, for it represents the power of intellect over passion.
 
Oct 2012
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1,084
Louisville, Ky
I agree, compromise is the answer...unfortunately it does not seem to be happening. One one side we have a bunch of chest beating idiots throwing a newfound ballsack in the face of the other side, which is composed of pissed off idealogs incapable of accepting they were handed whats left of an ass or thinking like adults.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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I agree, compromise is the answer...unfortunately it does not seem to be happening. One one side we have a bunch of chest beating idiots throwing a newfound ballsack in the face of the other side, which is composed of pissed off idealogs incapable of accepting they were handed whats left of an ass or thinking like adults.

If you consider yourself of the other "side" you are just as bad with this sort of statement.
 
Oct 2012
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1,084
Louisville, Ky
I consider myself an average citizen, who voted. Unfortunately they people "I decided" should represent me have no freakin' clue what I wanted.

Now...I sit back an watch them all screw us all over seemingly because someones dad called someones kid a retard.

I am not a child....these bastards need to stop acting like they are.
 
Dec 2012
518
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Madison, AL
What is needed is compromise. Virtue is inviolate; everything else can be compromised. In the give and take of daily life, there must be some give to facilitate the take at the end of the day. For those unwilling to give, theirs is a one-sided bargain, for a contract requires a mutual exchange. In the conflict of competing interests, to be willing to compromise is not weakness but strength, for it represents the power of intellect over passion.
What do you believe the compromise should be? WE are where we are today because FDO rolled Boehner who claimed he got 98% of what he wanted.

Any further compromise and the Republican party will find itself in the same part of the history books as the Whigs.

What is needed as a principled stand. Unfortunately we find FDO and Boehner on one side and the American people on the other side.

So let us go over the cliff.
 
May 2009
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USA
The compromise would be for our elected representatives to work out; for our nation is a constitutional republic, which is a representative form of government. That said, I must confess that I am dismayed by the attitude of Congress on the issue of the national debt in this period of recovery from the longest recession since the great depression. What sense is it to cut spending when that is precisely what is needed to stimulate the economy? And to extend tax cuts for the wealthy while cutting benefits for the needy makes no sense at all. It represents a view that is both selfish and shortsighted - an attitude so prevalent among our policymakers today. To put the blame for our improvident spending on Social Security and Medicare only begs the question of our priorities. What else is the purpose of government but to provide for such things? To cut spending on these seems unworthy of the greatest nation of the world.

Whenever I find myself looking narrowly at some social welfare program, I think of the Preamble to the Constitution, which always puts my views in proper perspective. It is "We the People" - not me, me, me. Need must it be so, for the true greatness of a nation, and its moral progress, is not measured by its wealth or power, but by the manner in which it provides for the welfare of its people.
 
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