Are you in favor of Abortion?

Dirk · Aug 4, 2010

It's not an independent being, and so it should be the choice of the mother. The reason I said "it" was due to "it" being a foetus, not a child.

Personally, if an accident happened or so, before we were ready for children, I would be perfectly happy with my girlfriend getting an abortion.

obtuseobserver · Aug 4, 2010

Dirk said:
It's not an independent being, and so it should be the choice of the mother. The reason I said "it" was due to "it" being a foetus, not a child.

Personally, if an accident happened or so, before we were ready for children, I would be perfectly happy with my girlfriend getting an abortion.

Independence is hardly relevant. It is a unique living human in its early stages of life. A two year old is not independant either. Nor is a comatose adult, severely retarded people and any number of other people. The address of the non-independent person shouldn't be controlling.

The mother is one of three lives impacted by conception. One might easily be convinced that the interests of the one subject to being killed would be most important. The unborn baby we can presume, if it could communicate with us, would choose to live rather than to be killed.

"It" Yes, you used that word to avoid recognizing the baby as a baby.

"Fetus" describes the stage of developement not what is developing. It is just one more example of how abortion supporters try to avoid recognizing what abortion kills. Its an unborn baby.

You may be perfectly happy right now to kill an unborn child because you regard it as inconvient. Should you later decide to have children there is a reasonable chance that you'll be saddled with a tremendous feeling of guilt. Of the people I know who have had abortions (or whose GFs have) they are to a one terribly guilt ridden because of it. The two that I know who gave theirs up for adoption are quite pleased with their choice. Then again, could be you wouldn't be bothered. But, knowing many who have lost children shortly after birth, early in pregnancy and late in pregnancy none were any less or more pained on whether the baby died inside or outside of the womb.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus
Main Entry: fe?tus
Pronunciation: \ˈfē-təs\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, act of bearing young, offspring; akin to Latin fetus newly delivered, fruitful ? more at feminine
Date: 14th century
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

connermt · Aug 11, 2010

GekiDan said:
Birth control is one of the hottest topics worldwide since the Church already condemned it and tells supporters not to support it. But sometime, unexpected pregnancy can also leads to abortion on unexpected mothers.

So what's your own view about this topic?

I think there is a point at which a person shouldn't have an abortion. Prior to that, I believe it's perfectly fine.
The bigger issues to me are why isn't responsibility taught any more? Why not provide education to people instead of trying to avoid the topic and/or saying "Just don't so it!"?
I also believe that gov't sponsored sterilzation should be mandated to those who live off of tax payers and spend their free time reproducing.

el canadiano · Aug 11, 2010

I don't know why, but I lean more towards pro-life. I just wonder what the fetus feels considering he was cheated on his life.

Having said that, I really question people who want to do abortion. Were you irresponsibly having sex without thinking of the consequences?

connermt · Aug 11, 2010

el canadiano said:
...I really question people who want to do abortion. Were you irresponsibly having sex without thinking of the consequences?

Maybe so, however, there are many other reasons why they may want one.

obtuseobserver · Aug 11, 2010

connermt said:
I think there is a point at which a person shouldn't have an abortion. Prior to that, I believe it's perfectly fine.

where is that point and what makes it fine?

connermt said:
The bigger issues to me are why isn't responsibility taught any more?

Because we accept abortion as an acceptable solution to the inconvenience of an unplanned pregnancy?

Because we have a government that makes efforts to save people from their own stupid decisions?

Because we give all the players on the last place little league team trophies?

Because we prohibit dodgeball as a violent sport?

connermt · Sep 3, 2010

GekiDan said:
Birth control is one of the hottest topics worldwide since the Church already condemned it and tells supporters not to support it. But sometime, unexpected pregnancy can also leads to abortion on unexpected mothers.

So what's your own view about this topic?

I don't see how a country or group of people can be anti-abortion and, at the same time, be pro-death penalty.
For me, I think abortion should be legal, but up only to a point of development. Once abortion becomes illegal, then so should the death penalty.

obtuseobserver · Sep 3, 2010

connermt said:
I also believe that gov't sponsored sterilzation should be mandated to those who live off of tax payers and spend their free time reproducing.

A theory embraced by eugenecists in the early 20th century. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood and dedicated racist was an early advocate.

Buck v Bell 200 U.S. 274 (1927)

Oliver Wendall Holmes who embraced Wilsonian notions of social engineering wrote

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes... Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

It is a theory widely discredited because (amongst a large number of reasons) of whom the sterlization advocates targetted. If we applied your notion it would, as a rate of population, overwhelmingly hit monirities.

connermt said:
I don't see how a country or group of people can be anti-abortion and, at the same time, be pro-death penalty.

Well let me explain it to you then.

Before the convicted murderer is executed he is arrested, then he has an opportunity for trial, he has rights to appeal and if that fails he can seek pardon or commuting his sentence to life in prison.

A mother needs to make an appointment.

So, on one hand we have a large number of legal procedural safeguards to protect the murderer and on the other we have very few to none protecting an innocent life.

connermt · Sep 4, 2010

obtuseobserver said:
Well let me explain it to you then.
Before the convicted murderer is executed he is arrested, then he has an opportunity for trial, he has rights to appeal and if that fails he can seek pardon or commuting his sentence to life in prison. A mother needs to make an appointment. So, on one hand we have a large number of legal procedural safeguards to protect the murderer and on the other we have very few to none protecting an innocent life.

So, in one hand, you are dismissing your hypocritical actions with "justice" while in the other hand, you are claiming "life is so special".
You're putting parameters on how you value life.
If life is so special, there should be no parameters to it. Either ALL life is special or NONE is. Otherwise, you are hypocritical. Period.

Besides, your glorious, all knowing, all powerful, invisible, man made, make believe god has his final justice.

obtuseobserver · Sep 4, 2010

connermt said:
So, in one hand, you are dismissing your hypocritical actions with "justice" while in the other hand, you are claiming "life is so special".
You're putting parameters on how you value life.

Yes. We are placing value on life. Innocent life should have a reasonable expectation not to be killed.

Murderers sacrifice that expectation

connermt said:
If life is so special, there should be no parameters to it. Either ALL life is special or NONE is. Otherwise, you are hypocritical. Period.

lol... However, back here in the real world we distinguish between criminals and non criminals. We punish criminals. Under very rare circumstances we punich them by executing them.

It is precisely because life is so precious that under certain rare circumstances we execute those who murder people.

All life or none....

so then when you said

connermt said:
I also believe that gov't sponsored sterilzation should be mandated to those who live off of tax payers and spend their free time reproducing.

Apparently you do assign different value to difffernt lives. For you it is a matter of economic circumstances that determines value. I disagree with that.

connermt said:
Besides, your glorious, all knowing, all powerful, invisible, man made, make believe god has his final justice.

do try to avoid ad hominem - it serves no useful purpose.

TortoiseDream · Sep 5, 2010

GekiDan said:
Birth control is one of the hottest topics worldwide since the Church already condemned it and tells supporters not to support it. But sometime, unexpected pregnancy can also leads to abortion on unexpected mothers.

So what's your own view about this topic?

I think some clarity has to be brought to this issue (among many others).

There are two different questions you could be asking.

The first is this: what is your personal opinion about abortion. That is, say you were in a situation where your partner and yourself had an unwanted pregnancy. What would be your inclination for your own personal decision?

The second is this: what is your opinion about abortion in public life? This is a totally different question. To refer back to the previous example, one might be asking here to what degree society should be allowed to influence your personal decision.

obtuseobserver · Sep 6, 2010

I think its safe to presume the question is, "should abortion be legal? If so, what (if any) restrictions are reasonable?"

george · Aug 13, 2011

i am not in favor of abortions. in my opinion you should think about it before. you should not drive ur self to the point of abortion. if u never want a new life erupting byt he help of you and another.

David · Aug 13, 2011

george said:
i am not in favor of abortions. in my opinion you should think about it before. you should not drive ur self to the point of abortion. if u never want a new life erupting byt he help of you and another.

What? No offence but work on your English.

michael_dans · Aug 15, 2011

My concept says that it depends, if the situation needs the abortion then it should be done. In case of rape, the abortion is accepted but if it is a mistake of the couple then the act should not be performed untill and unless there is a danger of life to the mother.

CatholicCrusader · Sep 9, 2011

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michael_dans said:
My concept says that it depends, if the situation needs the abortion then it should be done. In case of rape, the abortion is accepted but if it is a mistake of the couple then the act should not be performed untill and unless there is a danger of life to the mother.

No situation can ever justify murdering an innocent human life. NONE.

David · Sep 9, 2011

CatholicCrusader said:
No situation can ever justify murdering an innocent human life. NONE.

The only situation I can think of is if the mother's life is in danger (The fetus won't survive anyway, so why let both die?) Otherwise I have to agree.

emilykrys · Sep 24, 2011

I agree too unless the mother is going to die there's no reason to abort a fetus no matter how developed it is. If you manage to make the mistake of getting pregnant you should be prepared for the consequences..

CatholicCrusader · Sep 24, 2011

emilykrys said:
I agree too unless the mother is going to die there's no reason to abort a fetus no matter how developed it is. If you manage to make the mistake of getting pregnant you should be prepared for the consequences..

I'm glad you both agree. But one thing you need to do is alter your language. The "fetus" is a child. Just because he's small does not make him less of a child.

David · Sep 24, 2011

CatholicCrusader said:
I'm glad you both agree. But one thing you need to do is alter your language. The "fetus" is a child. Just because he's small does not make him less of a child.

Sorry,I'm not going to stop using the correct terminology just to get people emotional.

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