My terminology is correct. The Nazis used to use language to dehumanize Jews and make it easier to murder them. Thats what words like "zygote" and "fetus" do, make it easier to turn the baby into some blob that you can chuck into a waste can
My terminology is correct. The Nazis used to use language to dehumanize Jews and make it easier to murder them. Thats what words like "zygote" and "fetus" do, make it easier to turn the baby into some blob that you can chuck into a waste can
Your language is why this is such an emotional issue rather then a scientific issue. We can't have an honest debate on this topic (I don't mean us as in you and I as we're of the same mind, rather the nation). Until we do laws won't change and the hate (and terrorism) will continue.
I'm an idiot for wanting to have a rational rather then emotional debate, interesting definitions you have for words. Do you wake in the morning and say, "Screw the English language, I'm going to make definitions up!"?
A fetus is a fetus. An embryo is an embryo. Are you really going to argue that a newly formed zygote is a child? Do you say that a child is an adult?
Not saying that it makes it any less human or life, but you are the one using incorrect terminology.
Honestly I didn't think using medical terminology would get people upset I wasn't referring to it not being a baby but if it upsets you so much maybe you should stay out of topics where you can't handle correct terminology because it seems to have just made you upset to the point where you had to call someone an idiot and I don't think there was any need to bring up anything about the Nazi's either nothing that was said was used to offend anyone.
Do keep in mind we're talking about someone who called an Israeli a stromtrooper just because he's living in Germany.
YES!
I was unwanted. Spent 5 years in an orphanage until my father and his family were able to finally adopt me. This follows you for life. No matter how HAPPY you were with your family, no matter how much they worked to provide you with a great childhood, some things WILL HAVE CHANGED YOU FOR LIFE.
So yes, if you're willing to throw that kid away, abort. If your kid will be too sick to have a normal life, abort. Don't screw someone's life just because God is telling you this is wrong. Ruining an entire life is wrong, not ending it when it's not even really begun.
I don't support 'sport abortion' and I do believe a woman should think 100000 times before doing this. Well, even before having sex one should think about contraceptives and not go blindly into this. It's huge responsibility, not a game.
I was unwanted. Spent 5 years in an orphanage until my father and his family were able to finally adopt me. This follows you for life. No matter how HAPPY you were with your family, no matter how much they worked to provide you with a great childhood, some things WILL HAVE CHANGED YOU FOR LIFE.
So yes, if you're willing to throw that kid away, abort. If your kid will be too sick to have a normal life, abort. Don't screw someone's life just because God is telling you this is wrong. Ruining an entire life is wrong, not ending it when it's not even really begun.
I don't support 'sport abortion' and I do believe a woman should think 100000 times before doing this. Well, even before having sex one should think about contraceptives and not go blindly into this. It's huge responsibility, not a game.
I don't know of any church that says contraception is wrong, it may have perferred meathods of contraception, and a disapproved method of contraception, good bad or indifferent.
I don't sit 100% on the opposed side of abortion, there are the rare cercumstances that are a justification of abortion. One is in the event of a rape, no child shoud be the result of an act of hate. Two is if the mothers condition is such that a pregnancy is likely to kill her. But don't pull the wool over my eyes, most abortions are done because the mother didn't act responsably, why is it okay to exicute a fetal individual because you don't want to mess up your body.
The thing I can't understand about 100% pro choice is this hypothetical.
It is okay to kill the fetus inside the mother but not after it is born, why? A 3 day old baby when left to its own devices would die, it dosent know how to feed its self or defend its self or even keep its self warm, why is it not okay to kill them once they are born, it is every bit as dependandt after birth as it is before. Man is not a creature that is equiped with adaptations to its environment, instead he must rely on his community to exist. We are all dependant on others.
I have never heard a convincing arguement for abortion as birth control.
I don't sit 100% on the opposed side of abortion, there are the rare cercumstances that are a justification of abortion. One is in the event of a rape, no child shoud be the result of an act of hate. Two is if the mothers condition is such that a pregnancy is likely to kill her. But don't pull the wool over my eyes, most abortions are done because the mother didn't act responsably, why is it okay to exicute a fetal individual because you don't want to mess up your body.
The thing I can't understand about 100% pro choice is this hypothetical.
It is okay to kill the fetus inside the mother but not after it is born, why? A 3 day old baby when left to its own devices would die, it dosent know how to feed its self or defend its self or even keep its self warm, why is it not okay to kill them once they are born, it is every bit as dependandt after birth as it is before. Man is not a creature that is equiped with adaptations to its environment, instead he must rely on his community to exist. We are all dependant on others.
I have never heard a convincing arguement for abortion as birth control.
I am lightly catholic but you are correct, a fetus is not a child, a zygote is not a child just like a child is not an infant and an infant is not a toddler.
But fetuses and zygotes are potential children or infants or adults, abortion wipes away potential because it is inconveniant, I am not against aborting a prenancy because the mother was raped, or if a pregnancy would kill the mother. I could kill a grown man for threatining my life, in those extreemly rare cases of abortion I don't object.
It is the reason abortion was legalized that I disagree with. It was never about reproductive rights it was about controlling population in poverty strickend areas of the US. Education and dicapline are far more valuble.
I am not sure the difference between an embryo and a zygote. But reproductive matter such as egg cells and sperm are not potential life, they alone can't produce an individual.
I have mixed feelings on abortion
A prospective mother does not get pregnant without a partner.
Why is so often the case that the responsibility is placed on the woman and not on the man?
Going off track a little bit if you don't mind...why is it acceptable for a man to have multiple partners but not for a woman? She is called a slut yet he is a case of 'nudge nudge wink wink' and sow the wild oats!
I am a man and I agree 100% that the issue is as much to blame on the man as it is on the woman. You are 100% right about that. I live in the US and our culture is a bit strange here, we glorify men who sleep with many women, but we chastize women who sleep with many men. To me this is a contradiction.
I am so glad you steered the discussion this way. I once wanted to study psychology, and eventually study the double standard, that is at times in absolute opposite depending on gender. I was laughed out of college and told that that feild is not a legitamate one. That the area I want to study is a mockery of psychology. I absolutly gave up on that feild, there is no hope of that feild ever combating gender related steryotypes.
I am at a loss, why is my culture so backward and bent on keeping such rediculose traditions, they are even perpetuated by people who speak against it.
Good very good point, sorry I tend to white wash the male role in things
I consider abortion to be murder, but we as a society often sanction murder. In some cases as in war or law enforcement it is an acceptable, even commendable practice. There are times, when one must weigh the life of the mother and unborn baby, and usually the mother, already established in her life takes precedence. Killing a baby should be the last resort and afterward, the dead fetus should be recognized as a human being.
I don't know if I would call it murder in the same aspect as if someone killed a kid, it is confusing, because a fetus is both a person and a potential person, I don't think a fetus should be treated like a tumor or a kidney, but nor should it be treated like an infant. I think that fetuses should get certain recognition as what they are, removing them and thus killing them as if they were a desiesed organ because you don't want to gain weight or you are scared of what people would think, or you will have to put off getting that new car,
(or the deep down real reason women get abortions, because their irresonsable baby's daddy didn't plan enough ahead to protect the woman from pregnacy or desiese and think of a form of contraception, or because contraception is not cool or what ever rediculose reason (excuse) he can come up with, pressures a woman to get an abortion, or puts her in a bind and runs from his responsability)
All of the reasons above show a disregard of human life. A value of a good figure, car, or finantial security over man kinds existance is borderline sociopathic. You have reproductive rights, block contraception with a berior, the easiest and cheapest is a condom, they are free, takes moments to put in effect.
If you value the feel of skin to skin contact during coitus use withdraw meathod, if you value orgasums with in the act of coitus be sure you are with a woman who knows how to use birth control. If you value sex with random strangers over human life, you are un ethical, if you showed the same disregard to the children if they were born and the mother wanted to you would be locked in jail for neglect. Why is it okay to kill a fetus but not a newborn, the newborn cannot survive on its own
I have no problem with birth control, ie. the morning after pill. But cutting the fetus out of the mother's belly and throwing it in a trash can (also known as abortion), I am fully opposed to that. Murder by any other name would still be murder to borrow a phrase from Shakespear's Romeo and Juliet.
That said, women don't like being told what to do. So if a man tells a woman she cannot have an abortion, suddenly we are chovanistic pigs and abortion becomes a big time feminist issue where women alone get control over their own bodies.
That's fine, however, I think it is arguable that the body of the fetus is not really part of the body of the woman. It has its own operating life systems such that you could cut the child out of the womb after only 6 months (3 months early), and medical science could still save the baby which goes on to have a full normal life.
As demonstrated in my example above, for 3 months anyway, it is fair to say that the child (even though in the womb) is in fact a separate human being - alive and well.
Bottom line : Abortion = Murder.
Medical science can only do that because it essentially would mimic the conditions in the womb that the baby needs
I think the bigger issue that needs to be looked at with abortion other than the subjective definition of human life and the subjective opinion on human rights is the after-birth life of the baby. A baby born to a mother who wanted to abort it might not have the most caring upbringing.
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