Church of England general synod votes against women bishops

Feb 2012
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England
The general synod of the Church of England has voted against the appointment of women as bishops.

The decision came at the end of a day of debate by supporters and opponents - and a 12-year legislative process.

The measure was passed by the synod's houses of bishops and clergy but was rejected by the house of laity.

Controversy had centred on the provisions for parishes opposed to women bishops to request supervision by a stand-in male bishop.

The measure needed two-thirds majorities in each of the synod's three houses.

The votes were 44 for and two against in the house of bishops, 148 for and 45 against in the house of clergy, and 132 for and 74 against in the house of laity.

The vote in the house of laity, at 64%, was just short of the required majority.

A handful more of "yes" votes would have tipped them over the two-thirds mark.


As a non church goer, this doesn't affect me one way or the other but I think it a shame that this has happened.
Presumably women have ' a calling' to serve in the church just as much as men do and presumably the 'call' comes from God. So how then is it ok to deny a higher post to a woman because of her sex? If God didnt want women He wouldn't 'call' them would He?
 

myp

Jan 2009
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As a non church goer, this doesn't affect me one way or the other but I think it a shame that this has happened.
Presumably women have ' a calling' to serve in the church just as much as men do and presumably the 'call' comes from God. So how then is it ok to deny a higher post to a woman because of her sex? If God didnt want women He wouldn't 'call' them would He?

Wouldn't be the first time the church has been irrational. I saw an interesting talk recently in which the lecturer gave some historical examples of progressive individuals who stopped pushing at a certain margin because of the belief in God at that margin. It is an interesting concept. If you believe so strongly, nothing can change that, so you don't question anything beyond it. A shame, if you ask me.
 
Nov 2012
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Salt Lake City, Utah
Presumably women have ' a calling' to serve in the church just as much as men do and presumably the 'call' comes from God. So how then is it ok to deny a higher post to a woman because of her sex? If God didnt want women He wouldn't 'call' them would He?

I continue to think the "call" may have come from God, but the "policy" originated with Constantine and the subsequent church heirarchy.
 
Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
Further down the slope of irrelevance...slides the Catholic Church.

Perhaps they should become the Catholic/Republican congregation.
 
Oct 2012
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Religion is not regional...it has become a worldwide phenomenon.
One cannot contain the effect based on human created border...these "God" things go wherever we decide they should.

And there, they create death.
 
Nov 2012
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Salt Lake City, Utah
They all came out of Christianity in general which came out of previous religions did they not? Not sure I understand your point.

My point was in regards to the original "call" statement by Cerise, and her assertion that if the call was from God, who are these people setting policy following? (at least that was my take on her point, I could be wrong). In any case, my point was asserting that the "call" may have come from God, but the "policy" came from Constantine (1st Pope) and the advent of organized Christianity.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Religion is not regional...it has become a worldwide phenomenon.
One cannot contain the effect based on human created border...these "God" things go wherever we decide they should.

And there, they create death.

Huh? The Church of England isn't merely a regional institution anymore but just another flavor of Christianity (at least from what I know on the subject) with followers everywhere.
 
Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
The "Church" of England, is a wonderful example of a regional "God". Same crap....different mask. Spread over here, went a few ways...stiill the same cruel and divisive mentality.

I have no use for hatred...seems counter productive.
 
Nov 2012
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USA
As a non church goer, this doesn't affect me one way or the other but I think it a shame that this has happened.
Presumably women have ' a calling' to serve in the church just as much as men do and presumably the 'call' comes from God. So how then is it ok to deny a higher post to a woman because of her sex? If God didnt want women He wouldn't 'call' them would He?

God doesn't call women to leadership. Non-believers have no grounds to object.
 
Feb 2012
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England
God doesn't call women to leadership. Non-believers have no grounds to object.

Excuse me but I do have the right to object to women being sidelined in favour of men based soley on their gender.

How do you know that God doesn't want women to be leaders?

You realize that the title of Supreme Govoner of the Church of England is held by a woman don't you? Should she not be there then?
 

myp

Jan 2009
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"Insults" wasn't the right choice of words. How about, let's all take a step back and take a deep breath? Just nervous about the direction this is headed...
 
Nov 2012
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USA
Excuse me but I do have the right to object to women being sidelined in favour of men based soley on their gender.

You have right to eat substances that extrude from your body or to have opinions about the religion of others. I haven't said otherwise. I said non-believers have no grounds to interpret for religious people their religion.
 
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