Could Belgium be the straw?

tecoyah said:

That breaks the camels back?

I only hope this incident forces people to wake up and accept the unpleasant realities. Every single recent attack of terror has a single aspect in common, and those soon to come will as well.

ISLAM

Is it time to implement the only things that make rational sense in order to remain (or become) safe?

Deport all Middle Eastern Muslims back to the places they are fleeing.
Monitor and remove/Deport current residents who are Muslim.
Close all mosques and ban Islam going forward.
Get ready for the outcry and name calling...beats the hell outa being killed.

There are no moderate Muslims in the world...just Muslims who are too chickenshit to do what their religion commands

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Sure they all have Islam in common... If you ignore every non-Muslim terrorist attack. Lets go to Greece and take a look at the Golden Dawn. They're Orthodox/Hellenist (a fact that annoys me). Or we could go to scandinavia and take a look at all the lone wolf Christian attacks. Or the Protestant IRA which is still a thing. To blame everything (or even most) on Muslims requires that you ware some really good blinders. I don't blame you for the perception, the media really hypes up Muslim attacks. Nothing brings in ratings like bad news and scapegoating yet nobody wants the bad news and scapegoating to be about them (same reason the West is the 'Great Satan' in the Mideast).

So Christians and other religions are doing the same thing but the media refuses to put it on TV. Blinders you say?

Islam is a poisonous religion. it has been from the start. "Attack and overtake, join or be killed" has been the religion's mantra from day one.


https://carm.org/islamic-muslim-statistics-on-violence-rape-terror-sharia-isis-welfare

Allow me to clarify my point. Taking in refugees from a war zone when you're a player in said war zone opens you up to a 5th Column. The EU has failed to take this threat seriously and today we see the result.

My POINT was that you can't simply say 'get rid of the Muslims' and expect that to actually work. Europe is the most Islamic minority region on the planet, if even a significant minority were as bad as the rhetoric suggests, Europe would be fighting an Islamic army. That's actually happened before. That's why Europe is home to 2 Muslim majority nations, it's why Sicilians and Andalusians look Arab, it's why so many 'English' words are Arabic (traffic for example). If that were also true today, Muslims would be shooting their way into Europe. Instead you have shit like today that only annoys Europeans and gets a bunch of Muslims killed. If Turkey ever falls to the IS, THEN Europe can start worrying about an Islamic invasion. The other problem with the rhetoric is what I already stated in my last post, I can offer a 1:1 or better comparison of Islamic and non-Islamic attacks. This line of reasoning would do nothing to stop the violence and give otherwise peaceful Muslims a legitimate reason to fight that has nothing to do with radical politics.

This tendency to bash Muslims is, as I said, simpleminded scapegoating that avoids thinking about the actual problem. Think about it, you don't see this crap happening in the US because we have the security (whatever the idiots like Trump might say) and don't pass laws that would provoke moderates to violent self-defence such as kicking them out of their homes and sending them to die in a war zone as tecoyah suggests.

The situation is far more nuanced than Muslims = Bad. Being intellectually lazy is just going to get more people killed.

David said:

I can offer a 1:1 or better comparison of Islamic and non-Islamic attacks.

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How about a comparison of Islamic vs. Christian attacks? or Islamic vs. atheistic attacks?

after all, comparing a crazy religion to crazy individuals is a little apple to oranges don't you think?

Aufgeblassen said:

Just like the Christian Crusades. The only difference, is Christianity has evolved, and Muslimism has not yet.

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channel Obama much?

Do you know much about the Crusades?

tecoyah said:

Christianity was forced to end it's "Crusades" for many reasons, but has since become something entirely different. It is correct to state it has "evolved" beyond it's violent past and Islam has not.

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The Crusades were not about world domination, rather they were about protecting innocent pilgrims who were being raped and slaughtered by muslim-turk barbarians (sound familiar). Sure, bad things happened along the way by Crusaders, but the original intent was protection, not domination.

Christianity:
Originally about love... love God and love your neighbor (2 primary commandments as given by Christ).

So how is it evolving to be better than this?

tecoyah said:

Firstly...I might recommend you research the crusades a bit more detailed as you have told others to do.

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I haven't told anyone to research it?

...and what do you take issue with exactly.

Aufgeblassen said:

Around 5,000,000 in the first 4 crusades, with another 1,000,000 in the Albigensian Crusade.
Then to weed out those nasty people that were left, there was The Holy Office to deal with, which accounted for around another 140,000. Mostly tortured first before suffering some disgusting fate that they dreamed up.
Maybe 200,000 witches, then you can add in the Wars of Religion in Europe that was about 3,400,000, The 30 Years War, 40% of Germany annihilated plus 1000`s of others.
Then there was the persecution of the Jews, about 450,000 up to the end of the 17th century and so on.

About 23,500,000...maybe more.

And that is just Europe and the Levant plus with counting stopped at around the year 1700.

That is just "protection of people"??? I THINK NOT!

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Wow, good gravy...that's a lot of big numbers!?

Is it referring to deaths? or people that prefer blondes to brunettes?

Numbers without sources or references. Did you cut and paste this from some demented and deranged atheist website?

How about what an actual historian has to say...

http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/leaflets/the-crusades.pdf

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How about a comparison of Islamic vs. Christian attacks? or Islamic vs. atheistic attacks?

after all, comparing a crazy religion to crazy individuals is a little apple to oranges don't you think?

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Apples and oranges are very similar things.

You're ignoring my larger point. The fact it's that while the EU needs to take the threat of a 5th column more seriously, attacking Islam isn't going to change anything. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are on Europe's side in this, alienating them simply creates more enemies and does NOTHING to end the equally frequent attacks by non-Muslims and politically motivated individuals. It's easy to attack an already demonized minority and so that's what's happening instead of actually addressing the problem. Think about it, would a genocide of blacks end crime in America? Same flawed concept.

tecoyah said:

If the Muslim community would self police, help law enforcement maintain safety, work to prevent the perception they are ignoring their nasty population LOUDLY, make a serious attempt at assimilation to the societies they move into, or even TRY....much of the dislike they are receiving could be minimized.

Sadly they are doing none of this on the whole and are now suffering as a result. It will get much worse unless Muslims unite and get to work.

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They do all of these things and are promptly ignored by folks like you because it undermines the narrative.

David said:

They do all of these things and are promptly ignored by folks like you because it undermines the narrative.

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How do YOU see it if it's so ignored? in pro-islam/liberal media sources?

Bottom line is people are growing tired of being killed in the name of islam. the onus of change is on the mythical "moderate muslim" to turn in their brothers in faith. They ought to be marching in the streets, against these people doing these crimes in the name of their faith.

they wont. in fact, many IMHO hope their more radical brothers succeed.

I heard this somewhere and it seems relevant...

"a radical muslim wants to cut off your head...a moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to cut off your head."

when apostasy = death,

you are either balls deep or not at all.

Can you be more specific?

if you are in an extreme religion that will kill you if you leave or chose to believe in something else, then it is likely that you stay in.

(of course you could make the risky decision to leave)

if you stay, confirmation bias kicks in and you look for reasons why this was a good and right choice.

tada...self-sustaining extremism.