Economic future of the USA

Jul 2009
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Yes, he receives his fame and fortune after he's dead. I think it's sick how, especially teenagers, wear him as an icon on their bags, clothing, hats etc. It makes me appalled.

Most of them don't know a thing about him past his being a socialist. Can't even name the war he fought in. :(
 

GOP

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Most of them don't know a thing about him past his being a socialist. Can't even name the war he fought in. :(

I think the same goes for the Palestinian scarves and different other extreme symbols. I'm frightened when teenagers, especially they, dress up like that.
 
Jan 2010
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Sorry, the quote feature is giving me problems.

It's not a "give up" mentality but a recognition of what is coming. We are in a pretty deep hole and to a great extent there is nothing we can do about it. Its prudent to think about how to get through it on an individual basis.

The 1930's was very, very different in several respects. People were more self-sufficient, something like 60% of the population lived in rural areas and grew at least some of their own food. Many people didn't even have electricity or indoor plumbing, phones were not a household item, transportation was slow. In many ways, people had to survive on what they had locally. And the nation was not very dependent upon foreign nations for goods. The Great Depression was difficult, but many people had their own safety nets (family, community) to rely on.

Today, we are a service economy, not a production economy. Most people live in urban areas and are helpless without their electricity, plumbing, clean water tapped right into their home, gasoline, and food at the local mega-mart. People don't have their own safety nets, either. A person can't move back to their family farm like they could in the 1930's.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
Sorry, the quote feature is giving me problems.

It's not a "give up" mentality but a recognition of what is coming. We are in a pretty deep hole and to a great extent there is nothing we can do about it. Its prudent to think about how to get through it on an individual basis.

The 1930's was very, very different in several respects. People were more self-sufficient, something like 60% of the population lived in rural areas and grew at least some of their own food. Many people didn't even have electricity or indoor plumbing, phones were not a household item, transportation was slow. In many ways, people had to survive on what they had locally. And the nation was not very dependent upon foreign nations for goods. The Great Depression was difficult, but many people had their own safety nets (family, community) to rely on.

Today, we are a service economy, not a production economy. Most people live in urban areas and are helpless without their electricity, plumbing, clean water tapped right into their home, gasoline, and food at the local mega-mart. People don't have their own safety nets, either. A person can't move back to their family farm like they could in the 1930's.

I could. All I'll have to eat are pecans but it's no biggie to just grow another crop. Suffer for that 1st year and then eat like a king.
 
Apr 2009
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Disunited Queendom
I understand what Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao have done. If that is bothersome for people who still choose to hail these, I wouldn't and couldn't possibly answer to, but to me these are evil, sick and twisted power hungry people. Unfortunately China are still controlled by the same type of people today, they've changed their society into a more free market friendly type of society though, they had to to compete with the West. But their way of shutting people (who don't share the same opinions as the Chinese government does) up, is to me obnoxious,

See, i absolutely agree right up to this phrase:

and very typical for communists.

As a former communist, i know what it means and dispute that. Ultimately, i disagree with communist theory, but i still spend an unnecessary amount of time defending it. There's a paradox for you - go figure.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
See, i absolutely agree right up to this phrase:



As a former communist, i know what it means and dispute that. Ultimately, i disagree with communist theory, but i still spend an unnecessary amount of time defending it. There's a paradox for you - go figure.

Communists... :poop:

I really don't like them and their superiority complex despite the fact humans would need to be something other then what we are to work. I mean really, do you think everyone is just going to sing songs and hold hands with no gov't to maintain order or that the capitalists will just go away? :rolleyes:
 
Mar 2009
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Who thinks the USA is headed for a major economic meltdown?
I think the world is heading for a major economic meltdown, and since the USA is a very important player in it, they would fall first. We have already seen the first signs towards the end of 2008. Instead of belting up, the world decided to throw more money around. There is too much interference by Government in trying to maintain the status quo such as bailing out financial institutions that should have gone bankrupt. If this interference becomes more like a regular event to the point of controlling the economy, something is bound to give.

Do you think the national leaders know what they are doing and will pull the nation through?
I don't think national leaders can see the wood for the trees. They are so focussed on small parts of the economy, that they can't see the big picture. By the time they get a glimpse of it, a new Government is in place. Telling the public what they have learned would probably also never happen, as the public rarely hears the truth, what we get to know is on a "as needed" basis only.

If you think there will be a collapse, are you preparing for it?
I really don't know what to do? I like having other people around me, I'm not a doomsday profit. To prepare for it, one probably would have to buy your own island and become completely self-sufficient in it.
 
Apr 2009
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Disunited Queendom
Communists... :poop:

I really don't like them and their superiority complex despite the fact humans would need to be something other then what we are to work. I mean really, do you think everyone is just going to sing songs and hold hands with no gov't to maintain order or that the capitalists will just go away? :rolleyes:

What i find most difficult to believe is their theory on how the state will just magically fade away. Why the hell would the state dissolve itself? The state is a power-craving institution. It needs to be forcefully removed or constitutionally limited. And technically, a constitution threatens the democratic process. But is vital to it. Paradox.

For the state to be dissolved, we would require incredible democratisation, a miracle (unlikely), or force. What's more, ultimately, it's a utopic dream. (Anarchism isn't, by the way).
 
Mar 2009
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What i find most difficult to believe is their theory on how the state will just magically fade away. Why the hell would the state dissolve itself? The state is a power-craving institution. It needs to be forcefully removed or constitutionally limited. And technically, a constitution threatens the democratic process. But is vital to it. Paradox.

For the state to be dissolved, we would require incredible democratisation, a miracle (unlikely), or force. What's more, ultimately, it's a utopic dream. (Anarchism isn't, by the way).
Definitely does not make sense, most of all because people are mostly creatures who look after their own self-interest first. That does not make for selfless people who would not mind sharing power for the good of the people. People in general are just not perfect enough to make a utopic dream like that come true.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
Definitely does not make sense, most of all because people are mostly creatures who look after their own self-interest first. That does not make for selfless people who would not mind sharing power for the good of the people. People in general are just not perfect enough to make a utopic dream like that come true.

Some people (I'm looking at you Dr. Hawking) would say that we should genetically engineer ourselves to be passive. This ignores the fact that we're predators and more then that apex predators. The lion that sleeps with the lamb starves to death.

Now if such was done while also eliminating our need for food (hello, photosynthesis) then it could work and I'd even support it. Until then, it'd just screw up nature.
 
Mar 2009
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Some people (I'm looking at you Dr. Hawking) would say that we should genetically engineer ourselves to be passive. This ignores the fact that we're predators and more then that apex predators. The lion that sleeps with the lamb starves to death.

Now if such was done while also eliminating our need for food (hello, photosynthesis) then it could work and I'd even support it. Until then, it'd just screw up nature.
Not to mention that we are a species, and in order to survive we have to be competitive. So we would basically have to go against our own nature to make a Government like that happen.
 
Apr 2009
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Disunited Queendom
Definitely does not make sense, most of all because people are mostly creatures who look after their own self-interest first. That does not make for selfless people who would not mind sharing power for the good of the people. People in general are just not perfect enough to make a utopic dream like that come true.

Yup, absolutely.
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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Mar 2009
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The Chinese are smart, they're like a new Soviet Union. They know how to challenge the United States, and their tactic is very dirty.
And this spending spree the US has been on is going to bite us in the butt.
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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And this spending spree the US has been on is going to bite us in the butt.

Well of course all countries have to take the consequences of their choices, and I do believe the US are taking their part of the blame for it. The problem now is that the Chinese are using this to their advantage, and they know exactly how and when to do it.
 
Mar 2009
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Well of course all countries have to take the consequences of their choices, and I do believe the US are taking their part of the blame for it. The problem now is that the Chinese are using this to their advantage, and they know exactly how and when to do it.
And some of the people who will be paying this have not been born yet.:(
 
Mar 2009
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Well of course all countries have to take the consequences of their choices, and I do believe the US are taking their part of the blame for it. The problem now is that the Chinese are using this to their advantage, and they know exactly how and when to do it.
If the shoe had been on the other foot, the US may have done that too? I can't help asking that if it sees the Chinese using its indebtedness to its disadvantage, if the US is really taking responsibility for its debt?
 
Mar 2009
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If the shoe had been on the other foot, the US may have done that too? I can't help asking that if it sees the Chinese using its indebtedness to its disadvantage, if the US is really taking responsibility for its debt?
No. We have at least 3 more years to blame it on Bush.
 
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