For or Against Capital Punishment?

DodgeFB · Aug 10, 2009

Dirk said:
Why do people think that there Governments are oh so wonderful? Are they really guilty? Was the trial fair? Was the arrest impartial? Is the legislation justified? Was the legislation implemented correctly? I can bet you the answer to a lot of these is "no" for many individuals.

Why? Isn't life in prison enough? Do you also have to have them murdered?

No life in prison is not enough. When they decide they can rape and kill they make the choice of the rules. And too many get out and do it again. And it is not murder to kill the bastards. It is just going by their own rules. Why should they eat, drink and visit with loved ones when they alone choose to deny that to an innocent person for their own selfishness.

Dirk · Aug 10, 2009

DodgeFB said:
No life in prison is not enough. When they decide they can rape and kill they make the choice of the rules. And too many get out and do it again. And it is not murder to kill the bastards. It is just going by their own rules. Why should they eat, drink and visit with loved ones when they alone choose to deny that to an innocent person for their own selfishness.

I'm surprised. That ideological are you?

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, is it? Are you a Christian? Don't you know Jesus said "you've heard it said, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but i tell you today, when you are stricken upon your left cheek, turn the right for him also." - While i'm not a Christian, i think that's a good philosophy. If the Government kills someone, you have to be sure that they are guilty of the crime. And, of course, do you think the Government will murder people that "deserve" it by your standards, or people they want to get rid of? Because i'm sorry, state-sponsored or not, "justified" or not (by whose rules must be considered), killing an individual is murder.

I don't imagine you'll like Manga Anim?, but the popular Japanese series "Death Note" would be a good thing to watch.

DodgeFB · Aug 10, 2009

Dirk said:
I'm surprised. That ideological are you?

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, is it? Are you a Christian? Don't you know Jesus said "you've heard it said, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but i tell you today, when you are stricken upon your left cheek, turn the right for him also." - While i'm not a Christian, i think that's a good philosophy. If the Government kills someone, you have to be sure that they are guilty of the crime. And, of course, do you think the Government will murder people that "deserve" it by your standards, or people they want to get rid of? Because i'm sorry, state-sponsored or not, "justified" or not (by whose rules must be considered), killing an individual is murder.

I don't imagine you'll like Manga Anim?, but the popular Japanese series "Death Note" would be a good thing to watch.

We have the death penalty here. And even when someone admits they are guilty and would do it again people seem to want to put them on a retirement plan. We had one a while back fired his attorneys and ask for a quick execution date. And here come the "do gooders" with their attorneys!

Did they want to do anything for the victims family? No! Just save a cold blooded killer from getting what he agreed he deserved. They have benefits for prisoners that a young person that has obeyed the law all their life can't get because they are poor. I think they should send the rapist and killers to live with the do gooders. If they save the killers life make them responsible for anything they do in the future.

Dirk · Aug 11, 2009

DodgeFB said:
We have the death penalty here. And even when someone admits they are guilty and would do it again people seem to want to put them on a retirement plan. We had one a while back fired his attorneys and ask for a quick execution date. And here come the "do gooders" with their attorneys! Did they want to do anything for the victims family? No! Just save a cold blooded killer from getting what he agreed he deserved. They have benefits for prisoners that a young person that has obeyed the law all their life can't get because they are poor. I think they should send the rapist and killers to live with the do gooders. If they save the killers life make them responsible for anything they do in the future.

Well, that's a bit far, i think. If the guy chose such a harsh punishment, it's his choice. I frankly wouldn't care, since he chose for his life to be ended. That's just assisted suicide. I've no problem with that.

GekiDan · Aug 12, 2009

Dirk said:
Well, that's a bit far, i think. If the guy chose such a harsh punishment, it's his choice. I frankly wouldn't care, since he chose for his life to be ended. That's just assisted suicide. I've no problem with that.

I think you are correct at some point.
But honestly, even what you call assisted suicide seems not good. But if it's his choice, let him do it on his own. My conscience will never stand it.

Dirk · Aug 13, 2009

GekiDan said:
I think you are correct at some point.
But honestly, even what you call assisted suicide seems not good. But if it's his choice, let him do it on his own. My conscience will never stand it.

Well, personally, i'd rather the Government, or indeed any individual, didn't interfere in my life unless i wanted it or them to.

I'd allow people the freedom to control their own lives. If i saw some poor b****** standing on the ledge of a building, i wouldn't have any idea why he's decided to end it. Who knows? Perhaps it would save the guy a lifetime of suffering and mental anguish. It's not my place to decide who lives and who dies.

If the guy wants to end it because he has a moral compass, who am i to judge? I have my own opinions and he has his. That's the thing about people - none of us are the same.

DodgeFB · Aug 13, 2009

I am all for the right to die. I put it in my will, nothing but "pain control". No food or liquids. That should make sure I don't get stuck in a comma for years on my way out.

deanhills · Aug 18, 2009

DodgeFB said:
I am all for the right to die. I put it in my will, nothing but "pain control". No food or liquids. That should make sure I don't get stuck in a comma for years on my way out.

Well if you're in a coma, then ignorance would be bliss anyway. On the other hand, it could happen that you wake up one day. That would be the bad part for me I think ... a rude awakening

DodgeFB · Aug 18, 2009

deanhills said:
Well if you're in a coma, then ignorance would be bliss anyway. On the other hand, it could happen that you wake up one day. That would be the bad part for me I think ... a rude awakening

If I am that far gone I don't want to wake up. I had a close call one time and was very upset to learn I would have to do it all over again someday.

This is just my opinion. (Been my opinion for about 25 years so I am not newly depressed or anything.)

I have been stuck in "the not quite dead" zone for way too long. Most of what I worked for and enjoyed has been gone for years. Every night I go to bed thinking "I hope I don't have to face tomorrow." The only reasons I have not bought my own ticket is #1. Religious. #2. My wife would be put in a nursing home and my dogs would be put in the pound. And I don't want that for any of them.

Dirk · Aug 19, 2009

Speaking about the right to die, i love how people are making euthanasia sound like mandatory death in the health row. When euthanasia is a matter of free will for an individual and getting help from a doctor, if their medical status disallows them the physical ability.

Not to mention that euthanasia has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare. Haha!

DodgeFB · Aug 20, 2009

Dirk said:
Speaking about the right to die, i love how people are making euthanasia sound like mandatory death in the health row. When euthanasia is a matter of free will for an individual and getting help from a doctor, if their medical status disallows them the physical ability.

Not to mention that euthanasia has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare. Haha!

Yeah some people would rather push you into doing it on your own. And that can be very nasty indeed. A friend of mine put a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger with his toe. Hair and brains went everywhere. He had cancer and did it while his family were in church one Sunday morning.

And then there are those who try and fail. I know a woman that drank drain cleaner and did not die. But she never ate,drank or spoke again. Lived for a long time with a tube in her stomach.

Dirk · Aug 20, 2009

DodgeFB said:
Yeah some people would rather push you into doing it on your own. And that can be very nasty indeed. A friend of mine put a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger with his toe. Hair and brains went everywhere. He had cancer and did it while his family were in church one Sunday morning.

That would have been easier if he'd used a sawn off shotgun. Still wouldn't have been nice for the family.

DodgeFB · Aug 21, 2009

Dirk said:
That would have been easier if he'd used a sawn off shotgun. Still wouldn't have been nice for the family.

Guess he had to use what he had. The stock split when the gun went off. Must have been because of the hardwood floor. At least he was found by his son-in law. When he walked in the room he turned the rest of the family around. He was a Vietnam war vet. And he told me it was as bad in that room as some things he saw there.

deanhills · Sep 23, 2009

DodgeFB said:
Guess he had to use what he had. The stock split when the gun went off. Must have been because of the hardwood floor. At least he was found by his son-in law. When he walked in the room he turned the rest of the family around. He was a Vietnam war vet. And he told me it was as bad in that room as some things he saw there.

Cancer is probably one of the worst. As a family member in a sitution like that, I would have complete compassion. In fact, I would have thought there could have been a more humane way to go about it. I.e. through use of the right drug combination, especially if the cancer victim has access to morphine, which no doubt in late stages like it, he must have had. The worst part I think is when the cancer victim becomes completely helpless and is unable to get up in the morning to do his/her ablutions, wash and dress, and show up for breakfast. Or to see other family members take pity and act differently.

ArghMonkey · Dec 4, 2009

How can any ethical person support the death penalty?

It doesnt make sense, the idea that what someone did was so horrible, so heinous that the only way to get justice would be to do something heinous back?! *L*

This is dark age thinking stemming from ignorance, fear and the quest for revenge.

The human race should be trying to be better, not lowering itself to that digusting level.

No modern country supports it except for the u.s. ...

Delta · Dec 4, 2009

ArghMonkey said:
No modern country supports it except for the u.s. ...

Actually something like 64% of Canadians support the death penalty. Just because we don't have it, doesn't mean we don't support it.

I don't see any ethical problems with it whatsoever. You take someones life, you lose your own. I always hear all these people talking about "oh but criminals have rights too." Well they shouldn't - they had no regard for their victims rights, society should have no regard for their rights.

What disgusts me is how easy Canada is on our criminals.

ArghMonkey · Dec 4, 2009

Delta said:
Actually something like 64% of Canadians support the death penalty. Just because we don't have it, doesn't mean we don't support it.

I don't see any ethical problems with it whatsoever. You take someones life, you lose your own. I always hear all these people talking about "oh but criminals have rights too." Well they shouldn't - they had no regard for their victims rights, society should have no regard for their rights.

What disgusts me is how easy Canada is on our criminals.

If someone burns your house its not just to burn their house, its revenge.

Vengeance should not be the basis for justice, thats a baser human emotion.

Canada as a country does not and will not support the death penalty, no matter how small minded Canadians can be, because smarter people realize its not ethical for a country to murder its own people.

Theres no good argument in favour of the death penalty.

DodgeFB · Dec 4, 2009

ArghMonkey said:
If someone burns your house its not just to burn their house, its revenge.

Vengeance should not be the basis for justice, thats a baser human emotion.

Canada as a country does not and will not support the death penalty, no matter how small minded Canadians can be, because smarter people realize its not ethical for a country to murder its own people.

Theres no good argument in favour of the death penalty.

Maybe not good for you, many for me. One I like is if you kill them they damn sure will never do it again. If someone is coming in my house in the middle of the night I will personally give them the death penalty. That way my family will be safe and I will not spend years in court fighting the "do gooders". They can be a "doormat" if they want, but do expect me to put up with it.

Dirk · Dec 4, 2009

I stick by my earlier statement that i reject statism, therefore i oppose the Deat Penalty. I would never even toy with the notion of giving the state the power to kill.

So my reasons are mainly political.

There are moral arguments for and against. In defence of oneself or another, it's permissable, in my opinion (of course i'd make an effort to disable, rather than kill them). I would kill in defence of my own liberty or life, but i'm generally pacifistic.

DodgeFB · Dec 4, 2009

Dirk said:
I stick by my earlier statement that i reject statism, therefore i oppose the Deat Penalty. I would never even toy with the notion of giving the state the power to kill.

So my reasons are mainly political.

There are moral arguments for and against. In defence of oneself or another, it's permissable, in my opinion (of course i'd make an effort to disable, rather than kill them). I would kill in defence of my own liberty or life, but i'm generally pacifistic.

The problem with "disable, rather than kill them" is they will either come back after you or take you to court and take everything you have. I just don't think some people deserve to live when they kill in a heartbeat. But they will make all kinds of deals to save their own life. They offered no chance for the people they destroyed. Those people prey on the weak and there is no shortage of weak people for them to rape, rob and kill.

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