Healthcare vote tonight- this could be it

myp

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After months of debate and back-and-forth arguments, the landmark health bill will go into a final vote tonight. After a positive CBO report on the bill, those for the bill are confident they have the votes and Congress will be voting on it later tonight.

You can stream the debate and then the vote live here: http://cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
 
Apr 2009
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I really hate how they've watered it down so much. It's just... not the right way to do it. I can't say that enough. I wish they wouldn't work within the system. It really is nauseating.
 
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Well it has passed. Unfortunately.

So far from ideal. :(

Ah well, let's look on the bright side. At least 31 million more Americans will be insured. Well, when the bill comes into effect.

And at least now, as you said the other day, they can concentrate on jobs and the economy.
 

myp

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So far from ideal. :(

Ah well, let's look on the bright side. At least 31 million more Americans will be insured. Well, when the bill comes into effect.
At the cost of trillions of dollars. There are now 37 states that might try to block the mandate though, so maybe they can win back their rights and cripple this bill. Who knows?

And at least now, as you said the other day, they can concentrate on jobs and the economy.
Hopefully. Another issue though is that their ideas on how to create jobs are probably going to be different than mine :p. November 2010 needs to get here faster.
 
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At the cost of trillions of dollars.

I know, they should have destroyed the current system first. :( I suppose they're paralysed, though, by lobbyists, special interests and Republicans, eh?

I flicked on AJE earlier, Obama looking very pleased with himself, declaring it a good start. It's not a good start - it's a start. A good start would have been bankrupting United Healthcare, or something.
 

myp

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I know, they should have destroyed the current system first. :( I suppose they're paralysed, though, by lobbyists, special interests and Republicans, eh?
Republicans? The GOP all voted against the bill.

I flicked on AJE earlier, Obama looking very pleased with himself, declaring it a good start. It's not a good start - it's a start. A good start would have been bankrupting United Healthcare, or something.
We'll see where this goes with a good majority of the states considering action against the mandate (and of course the 2010 elections right around the corner.)
 
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Republicans? The GOP all voted against the bill.

Face it, they'd have voted against any bill that tried to sort the matter. Except maybe their version, but that only helped - what was it - 3 million?

We'll see where this goes with a good majority of the states considering action against the mandate (and of course the 2010 elections right around the corner.)

Maybe some of them can improve on it, make it go a bit further. Oh, and get rid of that stupid clause saying you have to buy health insurance.
 

myp

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Face it, they'd have voted against any bill that tried to sort the matter.
Well that's how it always is. You vote for something you want and against something you don't. The criticism of calling the GOP "the party of no" is just uncalled for because in the same sense those voting for it could be called "the group of yes." It is not a party-conspiracy to just down-vote the bills, it is a conscious decision based on what they want done and what they believe in. Every Congressman voted "yes" to go to Afghanistan after 9/11 (right so in my opinion)- under this sort of thinking, they should have been criticized for that too (which most people would agree is ridiculous.)

Except maybe their version, but that only helped - what was it - 3 million?
There was no official one plan. Also, a lot of their ideas were based around market growth, which is not easily projected and usually just ignored when counting the people who will be insured after passage as it is often indirectly that people would get the insurance.
 
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Well that's how it always is. You vote for something you want and against something you don't. The criticism of calling the GOP "the party of no" is just uncalled for because in the same sense those voting for it could be called "the group of yes." It is not a party-conspiracy to just down-vote the bills, it is a conscious decision based on what they want done and what they believe in. Every Congressman voted "yes" to go to Afghanistan after 9/11 (right so in my opinion)- under this sort of thinking, they should have been criticized for that too (which most people would agree is ridiculous.)

I didn't call them the party of no. I just think that either the leadership is either extremely strong in ensuring their side votes their way, or the entire party is very homogenised - certainly relative to the Dems. Personally, i reckon it's a mixture between the two.

Incidentally, for what it's worth, i was opposed to the war in Afghanistan from the start. Though i was a pacifist at the time.
 
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Republicans? The GOP all voted against the bill.


We'll see where this goes with a good majority of the states considering action against the mandate (and of course the 2010 elections right around the corner.)

My gov't is filing a lawsuit. Yay Florida! :D

Dang it, my conservative side is showing. :redface:
 
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