Hello From Francisck!

Francisck · Dec 10, 2009

Hello members of Political Fray;

My name is Francisco and I am a Anarcho-Capitalist Atheist, that's right I said it!

I hope we can have lots of interesting discussion here and can't wait to read what some of you have to say.

I hope you welcome me with open arms!

Best Regards,
Francisco

myp · Dec 10, 2009

Welcome to the forums Francisco, it is great to have you

Francisck · Dec 10, 2009

Thank you myp, I see that we have nearly the same political views it's so great to have someone like me around

Best Regards,
Francisco

myp · Dec 10, 2009

Francisck said:
Thank you myp, I see that we have nearly the same political views it's so great to have someone like me around

Best Regards,
Francisco

Likewise, except I am not quite anarchist- I still believe in a state, but one that is very minimal (think Mill's harm principle.) Also, I am not an atheist (not huge on organized religion either- more of a believer in god, as opposed to particular figures.) Either way, we will probably still be similar on most issues (especially economic) compared to some of our other daily members

David · Dec 11, 2009

myp said:
Likewise, except I am not quite anarchist- I still believe in a state, but one that is very minimal (think Mill's harm principle.) Also, I am not an atheist (not huge on organized religion either- more of a believer in god, as opposed to particular figures.) Either way, we will probably still be similar on most issues (especially economic) compared to some of our other daily members

Like me...

DodgeFB · Dec 11, 2009

Francisck said:
Hello members of Political Fray;

My name is Francisco and I am a Anarcho-Capitalist Atheist, that's right I said it!

I hope we can have lots of interesting discussion here and can't wait to read what some of you have to say.

I hope you welcome me with open arms!

Best Regards,
Francisco

Francisck! Good to meet you.

Dirk · Dec 11, 2009

Francisck said:
Hello members of Political Fray;

My name is Francisco and I am a Anarcho-Capitalist Atheist, that's right I said it!

I hope we can have lots of interesting discussion here and can't wait to read what some of you have to say.

I hope you welcome me with open arms!

Best Regards,
Francisco

Hi, i'm a real Anarchist.

I'm also an atheist, and agree that a master in heaven is the best excuse for a master on Earth. Though i do know of Christians that are anarchists for the very reason they have a God.

Anyway, you're very welcome and I hope we have interesting, informative and constructive discussions/debates in the future.

Francisck · Dec 11, 2009

What do you mean by "real Anarchist" (I'm looking at your avatar while typing this)

myp · Dec 11, 2009

Francisck said:
What do you mean by "real Anarchist" (I'm looking at your avatar while typing this)

I am not sure what he meant by that, but Dirk is more of a socialist-anarchist (left-libertarianism) as opposed to an anarcho-capitalist (which is obviously more of a right libertarian school of thought.)

Producer · Dec 11, 2009

myp said:
Likewise, except I am not quite anarchist- I still believe in a state, but one that is very minimal (think Mill's harm principle.) Also, I am not an atheist (not huge on organized religion either- more of a believer in god, as opposed to particular figures.) Either way, we will probably still be similar on most issues (especially economic) compared to some of our other daily members

Isn't limited government and oxymoron?

myp · Dec 11, 2009

Producer said:
Isn't limited government and oxymoron?

No- it is just that- a minimal state. Anarchic government would be an oxymoron though

Dirk · Dec 11, 2009

Francisck said:
What do you mean by "real Anarchist" (I'm looking at your avatar while typing this)

I had the anarchist and socialist signs intertwined then, didn't i?

What do i mean? Well, Anarchism stems from European libertarianism - which itself has socialist roots. Self styled "anarcho-capitalists" arise from American Libertarianism, itself a produt of neoliberalism. This is an entirely different root. Anarchism is, by nature, anti-capitalist, since it advocates the overthrow of the bourgeois masters.

Anarchism is workers' solidarity, not private tyrannies.

myp · Dec 11, 2009

Dirk said:
This is n entirely different root. Anarchism is, by nature, anti-capitalist, since it advocates the overthrow of the bourgeois masters.

Anarchism is workers' solidarity, not private tyrannies.

Lol, that is your opinion- there is more than one school of thought within anarchism. Also, the idea of "bourgeois masters" is a very debatable one.

Dirk · Dec 11, 2009

myp said:
Lol, that is your opinion- there is more than one school of thought within anarchism.

Not really. There are different emphases. The real differences are between pacifist anarchists and class war anarchists, intellectualists and workerists. But Anarchism is traditionally anti-capitalist.

Also, as i said in my previous post, they are from entirely different roots. You could argue that there are different schools of socialist thought, but the two concepts of anarchism and anarcho-capitalism developed quite seperately.

Anarchism in the US, i should mention, was brought about by Eurasian immigrants.

Francisck · Dec 11, 2009

I see that my thread has given you guys something to discuss great!

Lol, that is your opinion- there is more than one school of thought within anarchism. Also, the idea of "bourgeois masters" is a very debatable one.

Perhaps anarchist isn't the best word to have used, I'll stick to something like "free marketer"

To comment on myp's post about "bourgeois master" I agree you aren't forced to work for anyone, perhaps if don't do what your job requires you will be fired and will have to find another way to feed your family, but aren't you told this before you start your job? you aren't ever forced to stay or to even work there.

Dirk · Dec 12, 2009

Francisck said:
To comment on myp's post about "bourgeois master" I agree you aren't forced to work for anyone, perhaps if don't do what your job requires you will be fired and will have to find another way to feed your family, but aren't you told this before you start your job? you aren't ever forced to stay or to even work there.

If you become a "problem" - i.e. try to get decent working conditions, enough holidays and a fair pay - and someone else will come and work for peanuts... guess what comes next.

As for being forced to stay or work there, no, not literally. But there's often no choice but to. Also, a lot of work is temporary work. Often part-time. A fluid/flexible workforce is brilliant for the bosses, job insecurity is devastating for working people.

myp · Dec 12, 2009

Dirk said:
If you become a "problem" - i.e. try to get decent working conditions, enough holidays and a fair pay - and someone else will come and work for peanuts... guess what comes next.

I just realized that we are discussing virtually the same topic here: http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=918&page=5 and since this is the intro forum, we should continue the debate there. I have responded to these ideas in that thread.

David · Dec 21, 2009

How do you know a forum is filled with intelligent, fair-minded and politically aware people? When even the spam threads are intelligent debates.

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