Herman Cain takes the lead, Whoa

myp · Sep 28, 2011

He has not kept most of his campaign promises. He did get healthcare through, but that was with the old Congress. Either way, a "do nothing" Congress has historically been better for the US than a "do something" Congress, in my opinion.

The thing that you might say he has done successfully in regards to this discussion (of why the Dems shouldn't have primaries) is that he has retained a certain level of electability (unfortunately).

David · Sep 29, 2011

myp said:
He has not kept most of his campaign promises. He did get healthcare through, but that was with the old Congress. Either way, a "do nothing" Congress has historically been better for the US than a "do something" Congress, in my opinion.

The thing that you might say he has done successfully in regards to this discussion (of why the Dems shouldn't have primaries) is that he has retained a certain level of electability (unfortunately).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obamas-promises/

As I was saying...

myp · Sep 29, 2011

David said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obamas-promises/

As I was saying...

Splitting it up as they did is completely arbitrary. One could split it up another way and get it to be over 90% not completed. I guarantee you that. Methodology is very important in statistics, math, and science. Unfortunately most political reporters and candidates and more importantly readers don't understand that.

Just to show you it is arbitrary here is another one:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Of the 25 politifact considers the biggest/more important, Obama has broken more than kept. These lists are arbitrary in categorization and subjective in value of importance. The top 25 will also vary depending on who you talk to.

Patrick · Sep 29, 2011

David said:
Despite the right's pathetic attempts at convincing people to the contrary, Obama has actually kept or is currently working on the majority of his campaign promises. A Dem president getting more of his campaign platform passed then most other presidents despite a do-nothing Congress who's stated goal is to sabotage his presidency so he won't get reelected? If I was a Repub I'd be pissed too.

Yaaaaa - BO is doing great! An unemployment rate that won't dip below 9%. Biggest national debt in US history. A failed troop surge in afghanistan (the place that leftwingers kept saying was where the REAL war was when Bush was president) and now edging toward a cut-and-run. A health care putsch that two federal courts have ruled unconstitutional.

David · Sep 30, 2011

Patrick said:
Yaaaaa - BO is doing great! An unemployment rate that won't dip below 9%. Biggest national debt in US history. A failed troop surge in afghanistan (the place that leftwingers kept saying was where the REAL war was when Bush was president) and now edging toward a cut-and-run. A health care putsch that two federal courts have ruled unconstitutional.

Unemployment is lower then it was at the start of the recession. Largely due to Repub ta cuts and spending. OBL is dead, that was the whole point of the war. Like I said, you hate him because he's getting his stuff done despite opposition.

Patrick · Oct 1, 2011

David said:
Unemployment is lower then it was at the start of the recession.

Flat-out lie - obama took over when it was 7 something, and his leftwing economics advisors just made it worse.

Largely due to Repub ta cuts and spending.

A sentence fragment - are you on drugs?

OBL is dead, that was the whole point of the war.

Hogwash. Al qaeda is the whole point - if you kill the top raghead, they'll just put in another, which is what happened.

Obama's great amateur adventure is without question the worst presidential term in american history.

David · Oct 1, 2011

Patrick said:
Flat-out lie - obama took over when it was 7 something, and his leftwing economics advisors just made it worse.

A sentence fragment - are you on drugs?

Hogwash. Al qaeda is the whole point - if you kill the top raghead, they'll just put in another, which is what happened.

Obama's great amateur adventure is without question the worst presidential term in american history.

Any honest person will tell you that the initial increase was a delayed effect from the Bush era (it's not as if the economy imploded overnight). As soon as Obama started Stimulus 2 the employment ate stated going up.

No, are you? If you wee sober you'd of realized I was making a point by point response to your post.

Yes they did and we just killed him too.

Patrick · Oct 1, 2011

David said:
Any honest person will tell you that the initial increase was a delayed effect from the Bush era

Is that the obama campaign slogan? "It's all Bush's Fault!"

Good luck with THAT!

As soon as Obama started Stimulus 2 the employment ate stated going up.

Is it physically possible for you to not lie? The unemployment rate is up and stayed up, inspite of obama's porkulus:

David · Oct 1, 2011

Patrick said:
Is that the obama campaign slogan? "It's all Bush's Fault!" Good luck with THAT!

Is it physically possible for you to not lie? The unemployment rate is up and stayed up, inspite of obama's porkulus:

That's a chart indicating how many weeks people are unemployed...

Patrick · Oct 1, 2011

David said:
That's a chart indicating how many weeks people are unemployed...

Yep - but makes the point just as well about the failure of obama's leftwing economics. Here's the unemployment rate, starting with obama's inauguration. Except for one temporary dip due to temporary porkulus make-work jobs which ended when the government money ran out, above 9%. Obama OWNS the economy.

David · Oct 2, 2011

Patrick said:
Yep - but makes the point just as well about the failure of obama's leftwing economics. Here's the unemployment rate, starting with obama's inauguration. Except for one temporary dip due to temporary porkulus make-work jobs which ended when the government money ran out, above 9%. Obama OWNS the economy.

The 1st poll didn't really say anything. Lets say the Great Recession didn't happen and unemployment was at 4.3% right now but due to the intense competition for jobs the average duration of unemployment was about a month. That chart would look exactly the same despite a booming economy.

Unemployment is down, that was my point.

Also Stimulus 3 is being worked on to keep it down. Unemployment is down, GM and Chrysler are making record profits while the auto workers have taken partial ownership of the companies (making them shareholders thus increasing their productivity), and middle-class taxes are rock bottom helping small businesses to stay afloat aided by low interest lones, Stimulus 1 (Bush) and 2 worked, no amount of rightist propaganda will change that.

Patrick · Oct 2, 2011

David said:
The 1st poll didn't really say anything. Lets say the Great Recession didn't happen and unemployment was at 4.3% right now but due to the intense competition for jobs the average duration of unemployment was about a month. That chart would look exactly the same despite a booming economy.

But let's not "say" anything - let's look at the FACTS - under obamanomics, lots of people are unemployed, and for a long time. ANY way you look at it, obama has presided over the worst economy in 75 years, and it's crystal clear he's unable to do a thing about it - he tried 1930s keynsian economics just like FDR did, with the same result - failure.

Unemployment is down, that was my point.

Have you TOTALLY lost contact with reality??

David · Oct 2, 2011

Patrick said:
But let's not "say" anything - let's look at the FACTS - under obamanomics, lots of people are unemployed, and for a long time. ANY way you look at it, obama has presided over the worst economy in 75 years, and it's crystal clear he's unable to do a thing about it - he tried 1930s keynsian economics just like FDR did, with the same result - failure.

Have you TOTALLY lost contact with reality??

The Great Depression ended. The Great recession ended with record profits coming out of companies that were on the verge of collapse just 2 years ago. Only in your right-wing wet dreams where reality doesn't matter did FDR and Obama fail.

Look at your chart. Look at '09. Look at '10. Now look at where it is now. employment rates have been on a slow but steady rise for the past 1.5 years.

Patrick · Oct 2, 2011

David said:
The Great Depression ended.

The great depression ended due to foreign orders for manufactured goods from the WWII belligerents for the over two years (9/39 - 12/41) that the US wasn't in the war, ie, economic forces EXTERNAL to the US economy - it had nothing to do with FDRs keynsian economic policies.

The Great recession ended

This is a fav of the leftwing in reality avoidance: the technical definition of a recession. From wiki:

In a 1975 New York Times article, economic statistician Julius Shiskin suggested several rules of thumb for defining a recession, one of which was "two down quarters of GDP".[3] In time, the other rules of thumb were forgotten. Some economists prefer a definition of a 1.5% rise in unemployment within 12 months.[4]

In otherwords, the failed leftwing "chooses" the two down quarters definition in a mind-fucking attempt to make people believe it's OK that they've lost their job, had their house foreclosed, and seen their 401k fade away. Really sick.

with record profits coming out of companies

The record profits came from companies dumping half their employees and making the other half work twice as hard.

Look at the chart - what direction is the last half inch? Now, look at the far left of the chart - the beginning of obama's term - what is the value? Now, look at the rest of the chart - the obama era. Are you blind? Does koolaid cause LITERAL blindness?

David · Oct 2, 2011

Patrick said:
The great depression ended due to foreign orders for manufactured goods from the WWII belligerents for the over two years (9/39 - 12/41) that the US wasn't in the war, ie, economic forces EXTERNAL to the US economy - it had nothing to do with FDRs keynsian economic policies.

This is a fav of the leftwing in reality avoidance: the technical definition of a recession. From wiki:

In otherwords, the failed leftwing "chooses" the two down quarters definition in a mind-fucking attempt to make people believe it's OK that they've lost their job, had their house foreclosed, and seen their 401k fade away. Really sick.

The record profits came from companies dumping half their employees and making the other half work twice as hard.

Look at the chart - what direction is the last half inch? Now, look at the far left of the chart - the beginning of obama's term - what is the value? Now, look at the rest of the chart - the obama era. Are you blind? Does koolaid cause LITERAL blindness?

So yo use incorrect terminology, ignore economic tends that you yourself post and otherwise ignore reality and expect to be taken seriously?

Patrick · Oct 2, 2011

David said:
So yo use incorrect terminology, ignore economic tends that you yourself post and otherwise ignore reality and expect to be taken seriously?

You use a technical definition of one economist of a recession, and think that should convince scores of millions of people who are experiencing the worst economic times of their lives that everythIng is OK??

Why don't you use THAT as another obama re-election slogan:

"ACCORDING TO ONE ECONOMIST, WE'RE OK"

Herman Cain takes the lead, Whoa

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