Is Islam a Religion

David · Dec 11, 2013

Ishmael Pequod said:
Right. The only blood in the bible pertaining to Christianity is the blood of Jesus. You keep on this topic and you're gonna be looking very stupid. But, please go ahead.

Te early church, in all it's theological purges, maintained the Torah in it's entirety as Biblical cannon and lets not forget the Tribulation and Apocalypses. As for the blood of Jesus, the Crucifixion story is filled with so many historical and logical inconsistencies that only a person of blind faith would take it as true.

Ishmael Pequod · Dec 11, 2013

Right. You are the poster who twisted scripture right off the bat.

David · Dec 11, 2013

Ishmael Pequod said:
Right. You are the poster who twisted scripture right off the bat.

So you deny that the Torah wasn't purged AT ALL, that the Tribulation and Apocalypse are prophesied as horrifically violent events and that the Crucifixion story is nonsensical? As I said, there is no stone age religion without some sort of theological blood letting in it.

Ishmael Pequod · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
So you deny that the Torah wasn't purged AT ALL, that the Tribulation and Apocalypse are prophesied as horrifically violent events and that the Crucifixion story is nonsensical? As I said, there is no stone age religion without some sort of theological blood letting in it.

Christianity is not in the Torah. It begins in the book of acts. No blood. Not so with Mohammed.

David · Dec 11, 2013

Ishmael Pequod said:
Christianity is not in the Torah. It begins in the book of acts. No blood. Not so with Mohammed.

Christianity is messianic Judaism. And stop dodging.

Ishmael Pequod · Dec 11, 2013

The tribulation and apocalypse are events. They are not brought about by any Christian. However, Mohammed did tell his followers to kill the unbeliever. Jesus said to love them. Love is not stone age. Murder in the name of Allah is.

Ishmael Pequod · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
Christianity is messianic Judaism. And stop dodging.

Okay. Tell me what part of the Torah Christians still keep.

David · Dec 11, 2013

Ishmael Pequod said:
Okay. Tell me what part of the Torah Christians still keep.

Homosexual hate, divorcee hate, women hate, a murderous hatred of non-believers. It's muted in America and Western Europe (but still present) but go into Africa, Lebanon/Syria, China and Russia and Christians gleeful engage in OT carnage. The only part that Christians actually ignore are the Kosher laws.

Ishmael Pequod · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
Homosexual hate, divorcee hate, women hate, a murderous hatred of non-believers. It's muted in America and Western Europe (but still present) but go into Africa, Lebanon/Syria, China and Russia and Christians gleeful engage in OT carnage. The only part that Christians actually ignore are the Kosher laws.

LOL. I mean scripturally. If this is all you have, then we're not going to have many discussions.

David · Dec 11, 2013

Ishmael Pequod said:
LOL. I mean scripturally. If this is all you have, then we're not going to have many discussions.

If I was to cite every verse Christians followed (or are supposed to), I'd have to cite almost all of them. When I say everything but the kosher laws, I mean everything from Creation, to the burning bush to genocide of non-believers. Please don't argue in circles. YOU claimed Christianity started in Acts. So YOU prove that Christian theology has no basis in anything that came before.

Ishmael Pequod · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
If I was to cite every verse Christians followed (or are supposed to), I'd have to cite almost all of them. When I say everything but the kosher laws, I mean everything from Creation, to the burning bush to genocide of non-believers. Please don't argue in circles. YOU claimed Christianity started in Acts. So YOU prove that Christian theology has no basis in anything that came before.

The book of Acts. If you disagree then tell me when Christianity began. Do you understand the difference between the old testament and the new?

David · Dec 11, 2013

Ishmael Pequod said:
The book of Acts. If you disagree then tell me when Christianity began. Do you understand the difference between the old testament and the new?

Christianity is messianic Judaism. Christianity started when some Jews decided Jesus was the messiah. The Old Testament is the Torah, the new is the Gospels. It's a 2 part story, not a totally different theological tradition. If you can't prove that creationism, homosexual oppression, sectarian genocide, patriarchal dominance, etc. aren't core aspects of Christian theology then you have no standing. Christians the world over do the same damned thing the crazy Muslims do but the west is Christian majority and so a blind eye is turned same as the Arabs try to avoid seeing people like OBL in a bad light.

I exist outside both religions and see the horrifying similarities the precipitants refuse to acknowledge.

Ishmael Pequod · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
Christianity is messianic Judaism. Christianity started when some Jews decided Jesus was the messiah. The Old Testament is the Torah, the new is the Gospels. It's a 2 part story, not a totally different theological tradition. If you can't prove that creationism, homosexual oppression, sectarian genocide, patriarchal dominance, etc. aren't core aspects of Christian theology then you have no standing. Christians the world over do the same damned thing the crazy Muslims do but the west is Christian majority and so a blind eye is turned same as the Arabs try to avoid seeing people like OBL in a bad light.

I exist outside both religions and see the horrifying similarities the precipitants refuse to acknowledge.

Oh my god. Have a good night.

Protectionist · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
Back up that number and don't resort to counting 1,000 years of history to come up with it. Christians have killed millions in just the last 100 years.

What kind of a nonsense post is that. what do you mean > "don't resort to counting 1,000 years of history". I'm not resorting to anything. Muslims have killed 270 million people over the past 1400 years. No religion., nation, cult, or ideology even comes close to that horrific figure.

As for the last 100 years, that reinforces my point all the more. Christians stopped their killing (which was microscopic compared to Islam's conquests) hundreds of years ago (the Inquisition). I don't know what nonsense you've been fed, but there have not been Christians killing anybody (let alone millions) in the last 100 years. Not in the name of Christianity. (as Muslims continue to kill in the name of Islam).

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Protectionist · Dec 11, 2013

Ishmael Pequod said:
Im surprised you revealed your dishonesty so soon. That scripture you quote is from a story Jesus is telling about a king. Jesus did not give that order to anyone. You've established yourself as not credible. That didn't take long.

I've known that for quite some time.

Protectionist · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
Christianity is messianic Judaism. Christianity started when some Jews decided Jesus was the messiah. The Old Testament is the Torah, the new is the Gospels. It's a 2 part story, not a totally different theological tradition. If you can't prove that creationism, homosexual oppression, sectarian genocide, patriarchal dominance, etc. aren't core aspects of Christian theology then you have no standing. Christians the world over do the same damned thing the crazy Muslims do but the west is Christian majority and so a blind eye is turned same as the Arabs try to avoid seeing people like OBL in a bad light.

I exist outside both religions and see the horrifying similarities the precipitants refuse to acknowledge.

If you wish to rant about Christianity, you should do it in another thread. Here, rightly or wrongly, your posts are OFF TOPIC. This thread is about Islam, not Christianity.

David · Dec 11, 2013

Protectionist said:
What kind of a nonsense post is that. what do you mean > "don't resort to counting 1,000 years of history". I'm not resorting to anything. Muslims have killed 270 million people over the past 1400 years. No religion., nation, cult, or ideology even comes close to that horrific figure.

As for the last 100 years, that reinforces my point all the more. Christians stopped their killing (which was microscopic compared to Islam's conquests) hundreds of years ago (the Inquisition). I don't know what nonsense you've been fed, but there have not been Christians killing anybody (let alone millions) in the last 100 years. Not in the name of Christianity. (as Muslims continue to kill in the name of Islam).

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You're a sectarian fool.

Polydectes · Dec 11, 2013

David said:
Christianity is messianic Judaism. And stop dodging.

No it isn't. Christians worship Christ, there is no Christ in Judaism

Polydectes · Dec 11, 2013

Aufgeblassen said:

Greeks where never Christians and never Jewish so that part is irrelevant. The Roman empire didn't become Christian until Constantine formed the Nicene council in early AD300s so out of the thousand years of this graph only the last tenth of it is relevant.

David · Dec 12, 2013

Polydectes said:
No it isn't. Christians worship Christ, there is no Christ in Judaism

Christ is a made up title but messiah is in fact Jewish as was Jesus himself. Early Christians didn't consider themselves other than Jews and felt that Jesus was the prophesied messiah. The Jews themselves also considered Christians to be Jews, albeit it heretical. It was only after the Jewish Revolt and the Roman crackdown that followed that Christians, for reasons of self-preservation, started distancing themselves from Judaism. Theologically Christians are non-Kosher (part of the New Covenant argument) messianic Jews, comparable to the Mormon relationship with Christianity.

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