JFK assassination and the CIA

porsteamboy · Apr 27, 2009

deanhills said:
lol..... He must have been seriously depraved to have done it so publicly though. Almost like a form of one upmanship?

The WC indicated that Jack Ruby acted on his own and shot Oswald to prevent Jackie from going through a trial. But Jack Ruby was convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to death. Had his defense been able to prove a crime of passion, under Texas law he would have received 5 yrs. for manslaughter. He went into it thinkig he would only do a couple yrs. However, he made a few statements after his arrest, that made Henery wade go for the death sentence. Ruby stated " I ment to shoot him three times but you got me before I did". and "I planned to kill him Friday night, whenever I got the chance". So, the spur of the moment that the WC put forward, was disproved. Jack Ruby knew from the being in the police station all week end, that Oswald was being transfered at 10 Sunday morning. But he didn't show up at the police station until 11, just so happens, that Oswald's transfer was delayed for a final interview and it, just so happens, to end when Ruby is in the kill zone. Pretty suspcious to me.

DodgeFB · Apr 27, 2009

Jack Ruby could not have cared less about the death penalty. He knew he was dyeing and wanted something to leave his family. Now who really sent Ruby to do the dirty deed?

porsteamboy · Apr 27, 2009

DodgeFB said:
Jack Ruby could not have cared less about the death penalty. He knew he was dyeing and wanted something to leave his family. Now who really sent Ruby to do the dirty deed?

Ruby ask Earl Warren several times to take him to Washington D.C. because he feared for his LIFE and wanted an oppprtunity to make additional statements. His lawyers appealed to the Texas court of criminal appeals for a new trial. Oct. 1966, Ruby's conviction was overturned and he was waiting a new trial at the time of his death. I don't think, this is the action of a man who cared nothing about the death sentence and knew he was dying. What makes you think that he knew he was dying?

deanhills · Apr 28, 2009

DodgeFB said:
Now who really sent Ruby to do the dirty deed?

Exactly, and who arranged for him to be armed?

DodgeFB · Apr 28, 2009

porsteamboy said:
Ruby ask Earl Warren several times to take him to Washington D.C. because he feared for his LIFE and wanted an oppprtunity to make additional statements. His lawyers appealed to the Texas court of criminal appeals for a new trial. Oct. 1966, Ruby's conviction was overturned and he was waiting a new trial at the time of his death. I don't think, this is the action of a man who cared nothing about the death sentence and knew he was dying. What makes you think that he knew he was dying?

At the time some who knew him said he had told them he was dying. And as someone that was told I was dying I can tell you have some strange thoughts. When I was told there was a 90% chance I would be dead in 6 to 12 months all I could think about was my family. And if you think you are going to die anyway that cuts way back on any fear of what happens to you here.

The Parakeet · Apr 28, 2009

There's still no evidence he was dying or thought he was dying. He's quoted as saying that he didn't think he'd spend a single day in jail. It wasn't a suicide attack. He just thought he'd be a star and walk away free. Not a crazy thought really, since if there was a case for jury nullification, then Ruby would have been it.

Deanhills - I think the gun was just his. He had mafia connections through his strip club and was supposedly a wannabe gangster. He was friends with the cops on duty (through the strip again...I think). They let him stay around the area and didn't check him.

DodgeFB · Apr 28, 2009

The Parakeet said:
There's still no evidence he was dying or thought he was dying. He's quoted as saying that he didn't think he'd spend a single day in jail. It wasn't a suicide attack. He just thought he'd be a star and walk away free. Not a crazy thought really, since if there was a case for jury nullification, then Ruby would have been it.

Deanhills - I think the gun was just his. He had mafia connections through his strip club and was supposedly a wannabe gangster. He was friends with the cops on duty (through the strip again...I think). They let him stay around the area and didn't check him.

Back in those days not everything was video taped and the police just told what they wanted the people to know.

The real evidence is he did die and at last word was still dead.

porsteamboy · Apr 28, 2009

deanhills said:
Exactly, and who arranged for him to be armed?

Jack Ruby used his personal gun to kill Oswald, it was a Colt .38 snub nose. He had a permit to carry, due to the, sometimes, large amounts of money he carried.

porsteamboy · Apr 28, 2009

DodgeFB said:
At the time some who knew him said he had told them he was dying. And as someone that was told I was dying I can tell you have some strange thoughts. When I was told there was a 90% chance I would be dead in 6 to 12 months all I could think about was my family. And if you think you are going to die anyway that cuts way back on any fear of what happens to you here.

I'm assuming that you beat the odds? and if thats true, thats great! But I've never seen any information that Ruby was dying.

DodgeFB · Apr 29, 2009

porsteamboy said:
I'm assuming that you beat the odds? and if thats true, thats great! But I've never seen any information that Ruby was dying.

I can take you to the step I was on when JFK was killed. I can show you where the house once stood where I watched Jack Ruby fire the shot live. But I can't give you a web. site for that news cast for that very day.

So we just say I don't know what I am talking about. Because I never documented everything that was put on air back in the 60s. I was a grade school kid watching a BW TV with 2 channels. I do know the TV was a Zenith.
But I can't prove that either.

porsteamboy · Apr 30, 2009

DodgeFB said:
I can take you to the step I was on when JFK was killed. I can show you where the house once stood where I watched Jack Ruby fire the shot live. But I can't give you a web. site for that news cast for that very day.

So we just say I don't know what I am talking about. Because I never documented everything that was put on air back in the 60s. I was a grade school kid watching a BW TV with 2 channels. I do know the TV was a Zenith.
But I can't prove that either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrwZCpdvvHA Here is a news cast from that very day, they were saying that the Dallas police had received a call, stating that a group was in fact, going to kill Oswald. Also that the police were working on the assumption that Ruby and Oswald were connected in some way. I was 19 yrs. old and in the U.S. Navy when JFK was shot and a year earlier I was off the cost of Cuba, turning back Russian cargo ships during the missle crisis, I remember quite a bit about what was going on but it's been along time. Well, its a pretty good bet, that the tv was a Zenith. We had a Dumont and later a Zenith. As for as Ruby thinking he was dying, I've never read or heard that, and I have watched many "on that day" broadcast, nothing about Ruby thinking he was dying.

DodgeFB · Apr 30, 2009

porsteamboy said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrwZCpdvvHA Here is a news cast from that very day, they were saying that the Dallas police had received a call, stating that a group was in fact, going to kill Oswald. Also that the police were working on the assumption that Ruby and Oswald were connected in some way. I was 19 yrs. old and in the U.S. Navy when JFK was shot and a year earlier I was off the cost of Cuba, turning back Russian cargo ships during the missle crisis, I remember quite a bit about what was going on but it's been along time. Well, its a pretty good bet, that the tv was a Zenith. We had a Dumont and later a Zenith. As for as Ruby thinking he was dying, I've never read or heard that, and I have watched many "on that day" broadcast, nothing about Ruby thinking he was dying.

It would have been CBS or NBC because that is all we had. I did the same thing I do now and watched them interview everyone that claimed to know Oswald or Ruby. Neighbors or people they worked with. And it was one or two of those people who seemed to think he was very ill. Since our school was shutdown and with only two stations I had nothing else to do back then. I do remember that was one of the first times our local stations stayed on past midnight. Usually at midnight they put up that "big eye" or went off all together. People would go into shock to have no TV after midnight now.

Thanks for the link.

porsteamboy · May 3, 2009

DodgeFB said:
It would have been CBS or NBC because that is all we had. I did the same thing I do now and watched them interview everyone that claimed to know Oswald or Ruby. Neighbors or people they worked with. And it was one or two of those people who seemed to think he was very ill. Since our school was shutdown and with only two stations I had nothing else to do back then. I do remember that was one of the first times our local stations stayed on past midnight. Usually at midnight they put up that "big eye" or went off all together. People would go into shock to have no TV after midnight now.

Thanks for the link.

Jack Ruby died on Jan. 3, 1967, cause of death: Pulmonary Embolism. He was admitted to Parkland Hospital apparently suffering from Pneumonia, they found he did have cancer. There is no evidence that Ruby or anyone thought that he was very sick prior to his shootig of Oswald. His brother and sister felt that his health started to decline after he was sentenced to death and he was in jail. He tried twice at suicide while in prision.

DodgeFB · May 3, 2009

porsteamboy said:
Jack Ruby died on Jan. 3, 1967, cause of death: Pulmonary Embolism. He was admitted to Parkland Hospital apparently suffering from Pneumonia, they found he did have cancer. There is no evidence that Ruby or anyone thought that he was very sick prior to his shootig of Oswald. His brother and sister felt that his health started to decline after he was sentenced to death and he was in jail. He tried twice at suicide while in prision.

Well now we know all the facts about the deaths of JFK, Oswald, and Ruby. I am just glad the government got everything straight and let us know just what happened.

porsteamboy · May 4, 2009

DodgeFB said:
Well now we know all the facts about the deaths of JFK, Oswald, and Ruby. I am just glad the government got everything straight and let us know just what happened.

The Government may have told us exactly what happen, Im not throughly convinced of that. But in order to get to some truth in the matter; you have to weed out all the bad information thats out there and there is lots of it. One being Ruby knew he had cancer and shot Oswald to take care of his family financialy. Another, is that the driver of JFK's limo shot JFK or JFK was pulling out of Vietnam and the military Industrial Complex had him assassinated. None of these show any evidence to be true.

DodgeFB · May 4, 2009

porsteamboy said:
The Government may have told us exactly what happen, Im not throughly convinced of that. But in order to get to some truth in the matter; you have to weed out all the bad information thats out there and there is lots of it. One being Ruby knew he had cancer and shot Oswald to take care of his family financialy. Another, is that the driver of JFK's limo shot JFK or JFK was pulling out of Vietnam and the military Industrial Complex had him assassinated. None of these show any evidence to be true.

And don't forget the one about Johnson having it done so he could have his job.

I really think we know all we will ever know. Right or wrong after all these years it is a very cold case. And our government has said all they wanted to say years ago.

porsteamboy · May 5, 2009

DodgeFB said:
And don't forget the one about Johnson having it done so he could have his job. I really think we know all we will ever know. Right or wrong after all these years it is a very cold case. And our government has said all they wanted to say years ago.

http://www.powerset.com/explore/semhtml/Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theories I I didn't forget it, the list is long, here is a link to all of them. I think as time goes by we'll learn more and more about the assassination but never a smoking gun. Remember, at the time of the warren Commission, the public knew nothing about the Mafia involvement in the Bay of Pigs, the CIA's involment in the overthrow of foriegn Governments. Even today there is controversy over the assassination of Lincoln, not if it was, how high it went. Yeah, the Government said all that they wanted to say about the assassination of JFK, but the controversy will continue on what they didn't say.

curious · May 5, 2009

So you actually believe the CIA managed to overthrow foreign governments? The whole point of the original joke is that they never succeed in the the things they try. You meant 'attempted overthrow', didn't you?

porsteamboy · May 6, 2009

curious said:
So you actually believe the CIA managed to overthrow foreign governments? The whole point of the original joke is that they never succeed in the the things they try. You meant 'attempted overthrow', didn't you?

No, I surley didn't. The CIA has quite a long list...Guatemala, Iran, Chile, Haiti and the list goes on.

deanhills · May 7, 2009

curious said:
So you actually believe the CIA managed to overthrow foreign governments? The whole point of the original joke is that they never succeed in the the things they try. You meant 'attempted overthrow', didn't you?

Or conversely they may try something and succeed at something totally different, and then depending on whether the result was good or bad, would claim ownership of it as their idea.

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