JFK assassination and the CIA

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Debunking, mocking, and humiliating 47 years of jfk disinformation

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Jfk Lancer's Debbie Conaway exposed by information age

Smersh said:
But all you've done 7forever is post a screenshot of links to your blog etc showing the links to what you've already posted, followed by an animated gif of two blokes laughing in the "JFK" movie.
How does that answer this :
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JFK Lancer Speaking of Debra Conway and JFK Lancer, this article is on her web site and is listed under MYTHS.

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Very simple. Debbie had to know that Greer passed the gun in Zapruder but may not have known his left arm crossed in nix or muchmore. She simply cheated by not showing that Greer had both hands off the wheel and passed a covered object.
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Greer's left arm crosses with the headshot, completely destroying this pathetic woman's attempt at disproving a visual fact.
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Debbie Conaway got south knoll shot from Sherry Gutierrez

The JFK 100


The fifth shot
("Back and to the left")


Oliver Stone uses the backwards motion of the President's head in the Zapruder film (beginning in frame 314) to argue for an assassin on the grassy knoll. As discussed in the previous section, this argument ignores the forward motion of the head that occurs between frames 312 and 313.
But putting aside the initial forward motion, is the backwards motion in the Zapruder film evidence of a shot from the knoll?

The trajectory from the knoll


"Back and to the left, back and to the left," intones New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) in JFK.

But look more closely. The President was not thrust "back and to the left"; JFK states it more accurately a few seconds earlier: "This is the key shot. Watch it again. The President going back to his left."(1)

Back to his left. This is what the Zapruder film shows (see below).

A comparison of Z frames 315-318

Does this make a difference? It does. Had the President been thrust to the left, that is, the left side of the limousine, directly into his wife, Jacqueline, this would not be inconsistent with the trajectory of a shot from the grassy knoll.

But that's not what happened. JFK lurched forcefully to his left, almost directly backwards in his seat.
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In 1992, author Harrison E. Livingstone became the first conspiracy-oriented author to debunk the myth of the grassy knoll gunman. Livingstone writes:


If [the President] had been hit from the Grassy Knoll or stockade fence, it would have taken off the left side of his head and thrown him violently sideways, and not backward as in the film. The left side of his head was not damaged at all.(2)
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Author and JFK consultant Gus Russo concurs. He stood behind the camera as Oliver Stone filmed the motorcade scene, and has this to say:


Standing behind the picket fence, it is . . . apparent that if the shot were from the front, then it couldn't have originated behind the fence: the fence is at a 90 degree angle to Kennedy's head -- tilted 34 degrees left of center when hit -- at the time the President was struck. A virtual broadside hit. Such a shot would not have forced JFK's head forward or backward, but side to side, with the bullet exiting near Kennedy's left ear, hitting Jackie. Of course, none of this happened.(3)
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Note also that in the frames of the Zapruder film following the head shot, the wound is towards the front right of the President's head, not in the back, as Oliver Stone claims elsewhere in JFK.
Compare the following images, depicting the approximate trajectory(4) a bullet would take in order to hypothetically cause the rearward movement of the President, and the approximate trajectory a bullet would take from where Oliver Stone places a gunman on the grassy knoll.


Harrison Livingstone is not the only conspiracy theorist to acknowledge the disconnect between grassy knoll gunman theories and the "back and to the left" motion apparent in the Zapruder film.

Sherry Gutierrez is the former head of the Forensic Investigative Unit for St. Charles Parish of the Louisiana Sheriff's Department. She is a member of the Association for Crime Scene Reconstruction and "has testified as an expert in crime scene reconstruction and bloodstain pattern analysis in over 30 judicial districts in the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida." She believes that a shot struck the President from the front, but acknowledges that the President's wounds rule out the possibility that a shot could have come from his right side.

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Gutierrez observes, "Since the grassy knoll is not positioned within the possible locations of the shooter for the headshot, the fatal headshot could not have originated from behind the picket fence."(5)
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Right front entrance caused right rear exit

20) NURSE DIANA HAMILTON BOWRON: greeted the limousine with a stretcher. She claimed, "...the back of his head...well, it was very bad--you know..." Arlen Specter failed to elucidate what she meant by the "back of the head" being very bad. (emphasis added) (WC V6:136 Within 48 hours of the assassination the British press relayed a second hand account from Bowron through her mother: "...there was blood all over this neck and shoulders. There was a gaping wound in the back of his head." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth , p. 180) Author Livingstone corresponded and spoke by phone with Bowron in 1993. He reported that Bowron claimed, "I first saw the large wound in the back of the head in the car. When we were preparing the body for the coffin I had the opportunity to examine it more closely. It was about five inches in diameter and there was no flap of skin covering it, just a fraction of skin along part of the edges of bone. There was, however, some hair hanging down from the top of the head, which was caked with blood, and most of the brain was missing. The wound was so large I could almost put my whole left fist inside." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth, p. 181) She also said, "...The hole was basically almost the size of a saucer, and sort of from the occiput. So there was quite a reasonable amount missing from the top as well." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth, p. 190) When asked her opinion of the nature of the defect in the rear of the skull, Bowron told Livingstone, "Well, to me it was an exit hole." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth, p. 192) Livingstone asked, "Did you see any entry hole in the back of the head?". "I assumed and I still do that that was an exit wound." Bowron answered. ( Killing the Truth , p. 195). Bowron prepared a drawing depicting the skull wound as she saw it for Livingstone which bears a striking similarity to the diagram of the wound prepared by Robert McClelland, MD and agreed to by Paul Peters, MD ( High Treason in group of images following p. 23 in hard cover edition.) It shows a defect squarely in the occiput on the right side; a second diagram depicting the skull from above shows the right rear quadrant of the skull absent with the notation "missing". (Killing the Truth,in images following p. 368)
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Well, 7forever, I'm sold that the driver was in on it.

Two questions --

1. Who was really behind the assassination? I have previously placed my money on the Brits.
2. What ever became of William Greer? zg

He died in 85. It was an inside job by jfk's own administration and likely other factions in and out of government.
 
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Dr. Baxter of Parkland Hospital..." The only wound that I actually saw-- This wound was in the TEMPORAL PARIETAL plate of bone laid outward to the side and there was a large area, oh , I would say 6 by 8 or 10 cm of lacerated brain oozing from the wound, part of which was on the table and made a rather massive blood loss mixed withit and around it".

Show one frame which shows your WC exit wound, you fucking lunatic.LOL There was no exit on the right side because if there was there would be some photographic evidence of one. The exit was on the right right rear which slow motion has finally proven beyond doubt.
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The exit wound could have caused bone loss in all three areas Humes describes but it was on the right rear. It didn't extend into the occipital region, it was in the occipital region and probably extended at least into the Parietal region but Temporal is more questionable. It doesn't look at all like any bone is missing on the right side or blown out except the right rear...this is evidence produced by WC crazies.
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Did anybody stop to mention that the supposed "gun" is actually the shine on the top of the guy's head (in the foreground)? Looks like 7forever forgot that there's two people in the front of the car.

I stopped to mention and show the fake reflection is an obvious fake just like your idiotic post. It recoils and separates from Roy's head because it's a laughable fake.
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where is this gun?

the car and passengers weren't checked for evidence... gun powder residue? injuries? taken into custody for their safety?

The gun was in his left hand. You can see him clearly pass it before he turns the first time to see where his target was in the backseat.
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FRAME 258 SHOWING THE GUN BY DRIVER'S DOOR.
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Zapruder film fakery proves Greer's guilt beyond all doubt

At trial, the kooks could NOT explain away the grey steak which is obviously a fake covering for Greer's forearm extention. The grey steak is 100% fake and covers Greer's forearm and elbow extention when he shoots jfk. The grey is over his shoulder first and then across when it's needed.

OVER, then across when it's needed.
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GOON SQUAD ALTERATION creates perfect view of gun with recoil and separation when it's fired.
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Greer's left arm/hand cross his right shoulder giving reason for this laughable fakery from what's an ancient time in history compared to 2011.
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A classic mock of a complete zero

His forearm is in the sun.

You don't what the hell you're talking about in the least. His forearm is not supposed to be at shoulder length and that is why they had to create a fake grey streak to mimic those movements in Zapruder (because Greer's arm/hand really did cross when he shot Kennedy) to give plausible denial for silly people like yourself. You just demonstrated perfectly, you have zero knowledge of this case and are incapable of grasping common sense.

This clown just admitted to Greer's forearm being at shoulder height and doesn't understand that it's really not supposed to be his arm but really is and it's really fake because it's not supposed to be crossing but really is because nix and muchmore prove it really did cross when he shot jfk. The illusion has been proven a reality.
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All of you idiots are wrong. JFK was assassinated by the KGB. Why is it so difficult for you Americans to see this? Are you all truly that stupid?
 
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Jim Marrs, now a proven disinfo agent for US government

http://www.rense.com/general86/rebut.htm
This conpsiracy kook who promotes obvious nonsense published an article (just a few months ago) that blatantly lies about a very important fact in the film. GREER HAS BOTH HIS HANDS OFF THE WHEEL 4 seconds before he fires the fatal shot. He also places the gun in his left hand. This obvious truth is so scary to these kooks that they publish articles as recent as May, 2010. They are dreading the day when millions of people find out this shocking but obvious truth.

I have studied first-generation clear prints of the Zapruder film and it is apparent that while it may be questionable as to why Greer turned and looked back at Kennedy and then could not recall that fact for the Warren Commission, at no time did his two hands leave the steering wheel of the limousine. There are plenty of real conspiracies out there without dragging this old wheezer up again.

Jim Marrs debunks his own disinformation about the Driver NOT shooting JFK by lying about visual facts seen in Zapruder. These are the type of idiots who've been making money off book sales for over 40 years. JIM MARRS LOVES GOOGLE...LOL

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THIS FAT HILLBILLY completely defines a true conspiracy kook. Making up bullshit to sell books and on the other hand denying the obvious truth about JFK being killed by his own SECRET SERVICE AGENT, bodyguard, DRIVER.
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7Eleven has proved Greers role as executioner in the most covered up political murder in modern history. Mainstream corporate media will never print the real truth because....
1. This would expose the Secret Service to questions that it cant answer, and destroy trust in them for their role in JFKs murder, as it rightfully should.
2. The truth about JFKs killer would force more exposure about the whole series of political murders of left of center politicians and leaders in the US, essentially a liquidation of anyone capable of challenging the MIC. The murders of JFK, RFK,MLK,Lennon,JKII, means there are no truly left of center leaders that are not controlled by the military/corporate elite.
3. Ownership of mass media is concentrated in only a few hands, and is a profit making exercise. The purpose of the corporate media is to protect corporate interests, not to tell the truth.
4. The truth is empowering to people and can lead to restoring faith and integrity, but when the people are lied to and believe they cant do anything about it, they are more easily lied to AGAIN. So the political masters keep the lying game going.
5.In my opinion The Bush Crime Family has been involved in these political liquidations and will fight tooth and nail to keep the lid on a larger exposure of the truth behind these murders. They are very active and will probably thrust another sleazy leader (Jeb Bush)onto the scene to keep their power going into the future. In America the scum always rises to the top.
Cheers, Jay

You spelled it out quite well, Jay. This clear truth will have legs with the common man, especially those who have little to no knowledge of this 50 year old, silly cover-up.
 
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of course the driver shot him only a idiot would think otherwise,you can see he turns his head..shoots him then turns his head back on the road..what was the reason for the head turn at the exact time the shot was fired?? And more importantly why did he turn his head back on the road straight after the shot?? And he did not turn his head back after the shot he kept driving..the natural reaction would be to turn the head constantly back because of the shock and to check if he's alive.

Finally a poster who really belongs to the forum he posts to who agrees with the obvious. The driver fired the fatal shot because I exposed the left side of Greer's body in the nix and muchmore films.
 
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My Most Important Troll Stuck In Lies

Remember that these guys were superior marksmen and the Continental had a low front seat--why risk detection by bystanders when you don't have to? This looks like a very plausible trajectory, especially if you're improvising and don't want to be seen:

You're gonna be left out when it comes out in a bigger way and I will use you as an example of bullshit disinfo. You have a fake hand below the seat. Your disinfo is more important than the grassy snow job because it goes directly to how clever the alteration was but looking closer it's very obvious.

Even without nix and muchmore there is no evidence his left hand ever returned to the wheel. Any opposition would have to concede that his left hand only might have returned to the wheel which leads to the work I did with Harris's clip showing no hand or arm. A decent prosecutor could have convicted Greer with just Zapruder. Greer's arm crossing in nix is the smoking gun and cannot be challenged, just ignored. And then there's muchmore showing the same thing but a little different.

NO HAND OR ARM...IT'S FAKE. Independently of nix it's proven fake by pointing out that's it's some grey thing added to the film. You have to prove it's a real hand which you cannot. There's no arm.LOL You can't have a hand without an arm.
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I was able to capture the two dots in between frames 303-304. A two dot hand. IT'S RETARDED.
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The most important disinfo I could ever face, debunked

Are you REALLY saying that the government went to the trouble of adding a second hand to the film that showed Greer's hand off the steering wheel? Why would they do that instead of making it appear as though it was on the steering wheel where it belonged?

Your point is moot for several reasons; Here are two. Both of Greer's hands were off the wheel 3.5 seconds before the fake hand appears to come off the wheel. During those seconds he placed the gun in his left hand and never placed it back on the wheel which is proven by his left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. You simply ignore the pink elephant in the room and continue on with your nonsense.

I started this around frame 238 or so. 241 is where both hands are close together before he passes the gun.
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Cover-ups rarely make sense and that's why they are so easily exposed as such. The fake hand was created as a reason to say Greer could NOT have shot jfk because his hand was below the seat. The truth is coming out and going forward. Millions of people in this world are going to see exactly who shot jfk and exactly how he did it. You're using the fake evidence that proves Greer could not have done it and promoting that impossible shot as how he did it.
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Warren commission crazies still exist

Kindly explain how every single, not most, but ALL pathologists who either conducted the autopsy, or reviewed xray and photos, both confirmed that they were of JFK to the exclusion of all others, and that they show an ENTRANCE wound on the back of the skull, with an exit in the front.

Kind of destroys your gotcha moment claiming that the driver both drove and scored an over the shoulder left handed head shot, since NO BULLETS struck him from the front.

The rear starts gaping at the moment of front right impact, completely destroying every lie ever told in this case.
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