JFK assassination and the CIA

7forever · Jul 7, 2011

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the nix and muchmore films needed to be examined closer and compared to Zapruder and that someone turned out to be me.
Dailymotion - jfk assassination films-orville nix - a News & Politics video

The Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. The fakery in Zapruder and Greer's arm crossing in both other films are in perfect sync with the headshot.
I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but didn't bother with the nix film.

Zapruder clearly shows the cartoon additions that are Greer's hand, arm, and gun forming and moving toward jfk when he shot Kennedy. The fake reflection recoils like a gun when the gun discharges and it separates from the passenger's head furthing proving it an obvious fake.

The muchmore film was purposely distorted and blurred but the clear copy can be found which shows his left arm extending downward after he shot jfk.

Watch his left/arm elbow coming down after the shot. There's an obstructed view running forward but all that has to be done is start from the end and run forward again when it comes down.

7forever · Jul 12, 2011

Rationalist1016 said:
So, 7forever, are you ever going to show some corroborating evidence? You told me a long time ago that there is "a lot of easy to read corroboration", that you have never presented. You have never answered any of the questions I have asked concerning your claims about the Z film. You won't address any of the known evidence that excludes Greer as a shooter, except to claim "it's faked". So, it's time to put up or shut up!

I answered every question about Greer's guilt. What have I missed? The hand is proven fake at 304 by showing it cross in nix and muchmore. That's the case right there. Furthermore, the disinfo kooks simply ignored that Greer passed the gun and skipped to the fake hand. They cheated and got away with it until I started pointing out what they weren't telling their readers or whomever they were fooling.

7forever · Jul 12, 2011

Rationalist1016 said:
7forever said:

Rationalist1016 said:

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Are you claiming that you are THE person that has busted this case? That you are the one that found that the driver did it and everybody else has missed it?

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I found the fake reflection recoil two years ago and less than a year later I figured out the hand was fake at 304. About four months later a youtuber gave me the close-up of Greer's left arm crossing in nix. That was and is the smoking gun discovered and exposed online less than a year ago in September, 2010. Yes, I am the one who put it together and finally proved it. I am pretty sure that no person really understood the hand was fake but at least Groden knew his left arm crossed because he was the one narrating that clip with the close-up. The fake hand is convoluted and silly but very true when seeing that it's nothing but silly fakery and nix confirms it a red herring.

7forever · Jul 14, 2011

Rationalist1016 said:
7forever said:

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I didn't ask about a gun or a gun being covered. For the sake of argument, lets say he does everything you say with the gun.
I want to know, in your opinion, how he shot at Kennedy with Connolly positioned where he was. He is obviously up against his wife. Your theory is obviously that he shot between the two of them..........that is what the drawing that you post shows.
I am asking, how is that possible to pull off, while driving and not actually aiming the weapon?

I don't give a **** what you asked about. The case against Greer has been made and proven beyond doubt and the opposition which does not exist cannot answer the evidence. That's what happens in the real world. You're living in a fanstasy world because the message board format allows it. You never have to answer the evidence, just change the subject to moot points. If Greer didn't shoot jfk then why is the object covered? It's covered because he passed the gun he shot Kennedy with, most likely a 38 revolver.

7forever · Jul 15, 2011

Rationalist1016 said:
7forever said:

Rationalist1016 said:

"He wasn't in the way BECAUSE Greer shot jfk"
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You can't get past the evidence that proves Greer shot jfk and the government tried to hide it. If Greer did not pass a gun then why they would place something over the object he passed?:eusa_whistle:

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When you realize you have no evidence for your claim, you just make another claim: "that the film has been faked".
Claim: Greer has a gun.
Rebuttal: A gun cannot be seen in any film.
Claim: It's been covered up.
Rebuttal: We can see Greer's hand.........empty.
Claim: The hand is fake. His real hand is going up over his right shoulder with the gun.
Rebuttal: What you say is a gun, is the reflection off the top of Kellerman's head.
Claim: That is fake. That's what covers the gun.
Rebuttal: Why then does the reflection move with Kellerman's head and not with Greer's arm?
Claim: Greer shot Kennedy, none of this other stuff matters!! (said red faced and pounding fists)
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You won't admit you have no defense for your delusions, but change the subject and never address what you could never explain.

Fact: Greer has a gun.
Failure: It could be a gun but it's covered.
Fact: If it's not a gun then why would the object be covered?
Failure: I don't know why?LOL
Fact: The hand is proven fake by showing his left arm crossing in both other films.
Failure: What you say is a gun is the reflection he passsed from his right to left hand.:cry:
Fact: The reflection is fake because it recoils and separates from Roy's head. His left arm crossing is the reason why three fake reflections were added to Zapruder, to mirror Greer's arm movements when he shot jfk.
Failure: Why then does the reflection move with Kellerman's head and not with Greer's arm?
Fact: Because during the alteration they took Kellerman's movements to block the gun's view and added obvious fake reflections (to the Zfilm) that look exactly like a gun, hand, and arm which mimic Greer's true arm movements which are seen clearly in the nix and muchmore films.

7forever · Jul 20, 2011

bill.zen said:
Jackie was holding on to him after he was shot and probably moved him backwards. I don't see him flying backwards "violently" as you say.

7forever · Jul 24, 2011

Rear gape at moment of front right impact

Watch the back of the head gape and close up and compare to frames 313 and 337.

Typist · Jul 25, 2011

Apologies for not having read all of this long thread. If this has already been covered, please ignore. Here's what interests me...

JFK allowed a situation to develop which brought us to the very edge of the end of human civilization. This is a failure of leadership of truly historic proportions.

Combine this with the fact that he was an entirely charming fellow, who became even more popular after his historic failure.

Combine this with the fact that he was a reckless and irresponsible person in his private life, which threatened to become his public life at the drop of a dime. He was wide open for blackmail.

Hey, I liked the guy too.

But it's not hard to make a case that the CIA or some other arm of our own government killed him. It's not hard to make a case that they would have seen this as the responsible thing to do, with some good cause.

Perhaps you have to had lived through that era. I lived in Florida during those days. There was a very real sense that EVERYTHING could actually really no kidding end, and not just on TV.

My proposal: It was the combination of Kennedy's utter failure to do the most important job he was hired to do, AND his incredible personal charisma, that led to his death.

Kyuubi · Jul 26, 2011

7forever said:
Watch the back of the head gape and close up and compare to frames 313 and 337.

Linking to the same BS with multiple pages worth of contiguous multi posting for 6 months isn't being factual; It's being bloody annoying. We understood you're a JFK conspiracy nut from the first page. You made your point on the first page. Move the **** on already. Your posting ins't investigative, it's utterly obsessive.

Typist said:
JFK allowed a situation to develop which brought us to the very edge of the end of human civilization. This is a failure of leadership of truly historic proportions.

Combine this with the fact that he was an entirely charming fellow, who became even more popular after his historic failure.

Is this "situation" you refer to, the cold war? If this is, then you need to become familiar with what the cold war actually entailed; the kind of situation it really was. Stalin was huge on making Russia into a superpower with nuclear deterrents on hand. Kennedy's policy was ensuring mutually assured destruction. You should at least be reasonably familiar with that.

If this isn't the "situation" you meant then you need to be specific as to which ones.

Typist said:
Hey, I liked the guy too.

But it's not hard to make a case that the CIA or some other arm of our own government killed him. It's not hard to make a case that they would have seen this as the responsible thing to do, with some good cause.

It's not hard to make the case if you've found insurmountable evidence that points to it. However, speculation is little more than guess work than it is anything else.

Typist said:
Perhaps you have to had lived through that era. I lived in Florida during those days. There was a very real sense that EVERYTHING could actually really no kidding end, and not just on TV.

My proposal: It was the combination of Kennedy's utter failure to do the most important job he was hired to do, AND his incredible personal charisma, that led to his death.

The evidence as I've seen it points to the lone assassin. If you're looking into anything nefarious within Kennedy's administration then you'd need to look into the links that the assassin had associations with. To my knowledge no such links have been established, and 7forever has spent the last six months showing he's an imbecile at interpreting video documentation, and is so hard rocked into it he's like a WTC no-planer style nut.

I'll grant that you're proposal isn't particularly crazy, there might be some grain of truth to your opinions, but evidence of an inside job? I think that stretches things unless you can support it more meaningfully. The videos that our dear spammer (speaking of which, you haven't missed much by not reading the whole thing) has plastered consecutively are close ups that don't show what he claims it does.

And don't take what I've said to you with any offense, there's none intended... Just saying that as far as I've seen, when you look at the evidence most of the "anomolies" make sense without requiring it to be a grand conspiracy.

Typist · Jul 28, 2011

Is this "situation" you refer to, the cold war?

The Cuban Missile Crisis! You know, that little thing where we almost destroyed human civilization.

It was Kennedy's job to make sure the Russians knew AHEAD OF TIME that their Cuban adventure wouldn't work, so that they wouldn't try it.

His failure to convincingly communicate the reality of the situation almost led to unimaginable catastrophe. There has been no equal failure in all of human history.

What makes the story interesting, in addition to being terrifying, is that Kennedy was, and is to this day, a very popular political figure, despite almost dropping the biggest ball there is.

It's an exaggerated example that seems to tell us much about the reality of politics.

I'll grant that you're proposal isn't particularly crazy, there might be some grain of truth to your opinions, but evidence of an inside job?

No, I have no evidence. I'm only trying to reason who would have had both the motivation and means.

And don't take what I've said to you with any offense, there's none intended...

None taken at all. I'm not trying to prove anything, just thinking out loud.

7forever · Aug 10, 2011

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7forever · Aug 13, 2011

Kyuubi said:
Linking to the same BS with multiple pages worth of contiguous multi posting for 6 months isn't being factual; It's being bloody annoying. We understood you're a JFK conspiracy nut from the first page. You made your point on the first page. Move the **** on already. Your posting ins't investigative, it's utterly obsessive.

Is this "situation" you refer to, the cold war? If this is, then you need to become familiar with what the cold war actually entailed; the kind of situation it really was. Stalin was huge on making Russia into a superpower with nuclear deterrents on hand. Kennedy's policy was ensuring mutually assured destruction. You should at least be reasonably familiar with that.

If this isn't the "situation" you meant then you need to be specific as to which ones.

It's not hard to make the case if you've found insurmountable evidence that points to it. However, speculation is little more than guess work than it is anything else.

The evidence as I've seen it points to the lone assassin. If you're looking into anything nefarious within Kennedy's administration then you'd need to look into the links that the assassin had associations with. To my knowledge no such links have been established, and 7forever has spent the last six months showing he's an imbecile at interpreting video documentation, and is so hard rocked into it he's like a WTC no-planer style nut.

I'll grant that you're proposal isn't particularly crazy, there might be some grain of truth to your opinions, but evidence of an inside job? I think that stretches things unless you can support it more meaningfully. The videos that our dear spammer (speaking of which, you haven't missed much by not reading the whole thing) has plastered consecutively are close ups that don't show what he claims it does.

And don't take what I've said to you with any offense, there's none intended... Just saying that as far as I've seen, when you look at the evidence most of the "anomolies" make sense without requiring it to be a grand conspiracy.

The evidence you've seen points only to Greer. If you're looking into anything nefarious within Kennedy's administration then you'd need to look into the links that the assassin had associations with. To anyones knowledge no such links have been established with Oswald because jfk was shot from the front, totally exonerating him and you've spent the last six months getting your delusions gape raped from your empty soul.:cry:

You are an imbecile and simply deny reality, and are so hard rocked into it that state of nonsense like the fantasy three shots from the rear. That has been rejected by americans for 47 years.

You are plainly and simply a defeated moron on a forum with only one thing of relevance, the truth about Greer shooting jfk.:smug:

7forever · Aug 17, 2011

bobster said:
thats fucking hilarious!:giggle:

Exactly! No reflection in history has recoiled and separated from a head, except in the altered Zapruder film.

7forever · Aug 19, 2011

Right front entrance by Bill Greer

Red Skare said:
Fake red mist? What color is real head mist from a real gunshot?

Fake red mist. I know, how silly. What color is real head mist from a real gunshot? Show us one besides jfk.LOL Another silly bunch of board trolls.

Clear bullet smoke on face, no fake mist.

Clear bullet smoke on rear, no fake mist.

Clear bullet smoke on right front in all three jfk films, confirming Greer's entry on right forehead.

StevenRichard · Aug 21, 2011

I kinda miss Ping Pong and our other conspiracy believers. Things aren't as lively without them.

7forever · Aug 22, 2011

Greer's cryptic message 41 years ago

It took almost 47 years to prove Greer was jfk's real assassin. We know now the only one important thing Greer kept secret.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/greer.html
Greer retired in July 1966 after having undergone a stomach operation and Jackie Kennedy sent him a letter thanking him for being with the President until the end.
He said he "saw blood on Connally's shirt" and looked back only "one time", in direct contrast to the Zapruder film. He went on to say that he "didn't really see the President at all".
Said the Zapruder film "was proven legitimate".
Claimed to have not seen anyone on the triple overpass.
Regarding the assassination itself, Greer claimed that "we never stopped...there was no reason to stop...no need to stop." In regard to the direction of the shots, he said that "everyone was hit from the rear...my back was covered with it [debris from head shot]." When told that Connally has always insisted that he was hit with a different bullet than had hit JFK, Greer said "I feel that way, too. They [the Warren Commission] had lawyers working on it...these lawyers had already made up their mind". Greer also believed that the back wound [which he referred to as being in the "back of the shoulder"] did not go through and that that was also the first thought of the autopsy doctors in attendance.
Greer claimed he was "in the OPERATING ROOM at Parkland" [emphasis added] and stated that JFK's clothing "were in my custody from Parkland to Washington."
Greer denied that there was a hole in the limousine's windshield. He said there was only a "star"; a spidering crack.
Greer did not know why the photographers were out of their usual position in front of and close to JFK's limousine that fateful day in Dallas, but did not seem to regard this as suspicious.
Regarding agent Roy Kellerman, Greer said twice that he was "a very fine gentleman." Regarding President Kennedy, Greer said "He and I were pretty close friends. He treated me just wonderful."
Regarding William Manchester and his book "Death of a President", Greer said harshly "He's garbage...didn't like it at all", further commenting on Manchester's criticism concerning his age and reflexes behind the wheel [Greer thought that his experience was an advantage, coming from "years of experience" , and certainly not a disadvantage]. He went on to say that he thought that Jim Bishop's book ("The Day Kennedy Was Shot") was the best book of all regarding the events of November 22, 1963. (However, keep in mind that his comments were made in 1970)
Greer said, somewhat cryptically, "there's alot of things I know that no one else knows." (!)

Finally, Greer said that the Warren Commission closed up shop too soon and that "there might have been a conspiracy in another part of the country." [!!!]

7forever · Aug 26, 2011

Groden is the biggest tool in covering up Greer for the government. You can see his enhanced version makes it more difficult to see Greer's arm crossing.

The gif that's all over the web was enhanced some but this is the original pulled from Groden's clip which was probably done in the eighties or nineties.

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7forever · Aug 26, 2011

MSabre said:
Why is the "enhanced" shitty quality? I thought when you enhance something, it...you know...gets enhanced, not blurry beyond recognition.

For sure. The enhanced is more blurred. I had this enhanced back in January. Very clearly showing his left arm crossing with the headshot. A lot of well known researchers have known of Greer's guilt for decades and kept it under wraps but the information age finally caught up with this epic blunder committed by government in 1963.

7forever · Aug 27, 2011

82 said:
This although interesting is of no consequence to this thread.....The only thing we need to be discussing here....is Greer's arm crossing over his shoulder to shoot Kennedy in the head.....too much nonsense in this thread...

These idiots here are simple board trolls, nothing more. There are researchers who have seen the nix film but none have commented on it. Jack White, some old quack was looking at my work before I was banned from a forum. His name was at the bottom of the page for at least an hour.LOL It has gotten around to some of those old kooks who turned a blind eye to this obvious truth.

They know it's coming and soon. They will never ridicule this truth because they have credibility issues. Greer's left arm crossing is a bonified visual fact that no honest person will ever deny. Board trolls and people who sold books are very different breeds. These liars here have no accountability and no worries about being anonymous retards posting nonsense on a message board.

7forever · Aug 28, 2011

The jackie shot jfk joke is proper silliness

It does a great job of showing the right rear gaping open...NICE.

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