Marine Le Pen poll rating shock for French politics

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Marine Le Pen poll rating shock for French politics

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An opinion poll suggesting far-right leader Marine Le Pen could win the first round of next year's presidential election has caused a shock in France.
The survey for Le Parisien newspaper puts the National Front leader, who took over from her father Jean-Marie in January, ahead of all other candidates.
It gives her 23%, two percentage points ahead of both President Nicolas Sarkozy and Socialist leader Martine Aubry.
However, some analysts question the accuracy of the online poll.
Online surveys are arguably less reliable than telephone polling, and Le Parisien's poll assumes Ms Aubry will be chosen as the Socialists' candidate, while the party has yet to decide.
Jean-Marie Le Pen was the shock runner-up in the first round of the 2002 election, only to be massively defeated in the second against Jacques Chirac.
Unwise to ignore Nonetheless, for the new far-right leader to be ahead of both President Sarkozy and Ms Aubry is an astonishing result, the BBC's Hugh Schofield reports from Paris.
A story on the website of the left-of-centre daily Liberation says "politicians are hesitating between prudence and panic after the poll".
On the basis of this opinion poll of 1,618 people, Ms Le Pen would automatically qualify for the second round run-off with one or other of the two mainstream party leaders.
In 2002, Jean-Marie Le Pen achieved second place, not first, in the first round, and his poll ratings were never as high as his daughter's are now, our correspondent notes.
Marine Le Pen, 42, has proved a canny successor to her father.
Where he was a brash provocateur with a devoted but clearly circumscribed following, her trump card is a kind of woman-on-the-street ordinariness which potentially has an even wider appeal among working and middle class voters, our correspondent says.
She has been at pains to junk some of the more overtly offensive aspects of the National Front's programme.
She is riding high on the sense of dissatisfaction that is not so much a wave as a permanent condition in France, our correspondent says.
As this poll suggests, there is in the country an entrenched appetite for anti-establishment, curse-on-all-your-houses populism - which the mainstream parties would be most unwise to ignore
 
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France has done well under leftist gov't electing someone in the far right is just stupid.
 

myp

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Get rid of the PIIGs and get a working Constitution and the EU will stabilize.

First off, easier said than done (and arguable). Second, the fact is that PIIGS currently are a part of the EU and there are bigger fundamental problems than just their membership. That aside, you can't make the claim that France has been doing great and then just neglect the existence of the EU and PIIGS problems. That's like saying the United States is doing great if you neglect its problems. You can apply that to anything and everything and then everything is also doing great.

Third, it is no secret that France (and Germany) have benefited greatly from the addition of many of the countries that are now in trouble- perhaps the prosperity you saw in them would not even have existed had it not been for the past of the EU.

And fourth, getting "rid of PIIGS" is not only easier said than done, but that doesn't rid France of it's problems. Do you realize how much exposure their banks have to PIIGS debt? And that is not a government thing- it is the private sector, so even kicking PIIGS out will probably means those banks fail. Essentially several times over. Greece has been called their Lehman- PIIGS failing is their doomsday.
 
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Face it - euro anything has never worked and never will work. And I've never wondered why US presidents have worked to prop up the EU, creating a big new economic competitor for the US, while we still foot the majority of what should be their military bills while they use that money to give themselves six week vacations and bloated welfare states.
 
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France has done well under leftist gov't electing someone in the far right is just stupid.

The idea of Sarkozy being on the left is ridiculous.

Haven't been paying attention to the Euro crisis I suppose?

In all fairness, France has, so far, been generally successful in recovering from the financial crisis. The Euro crisis is a matter of political will and sensibility, not capability.

Get rid of the PIIGs and get a working Constitution and the EU will stabilize.

Ejecting these countries is legally impossible, as a Greek minister reminded us on Israeli news yesterday. If it were to happen, it would send these countries back up to three decades. And it would only endanger countries in the Eurozone more. So long as Greece and the others remain inside, their economic troubles can be managed - so long as there is a political will.
 
Jul 2009
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The idea of Sarkozy being on the left is ridiculous.

Indeed but the socialists and social-democrats have have a strong influence on the gov't for the past decade or so and France has been 1 of the top preforming economies in the world even with the Great Recession and the PIIGS issue.
 
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Indeed but the socialists and social-democrats have have a strong influence on the gov't for the past decade or so and France has been 1 of the top preforming economies in the world even with the Great Recession and the PIIGS issue.

Yet ANOTHER one of David's wholesale disconnections from reality. The facts:

France's growth rate for 2010, according to the IMF, comes in at a pulse-pounding 143rd out of 184 countries. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate_(latest_year)
 
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Yet ANOTHER one of David's wholesale disconnections from reality. The facts:

France's growth rate for 2010, according to the IMF, comes in at a pulse-pounding 143rd out of 184 countries. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate_(latest_year)

France has the 5th largest economy in the world, the 2nd largest in Europe, only suffered 1 year of recession and has seen continuous economic growth since the 2nd quarter of '09.

France is the world's fifth largest and wealthiest economy.[7] It is the second largest economy in Europe (behind its main economic partner Germany).[7] France's economy entered the 2008-2009 recession later and left it earlier than most comparable economies, only enduring four quarters of contraction. As of September 2010, France's economy has been growing continuously since the second quarter of 2009.[8] Between January and March 2011, France's GDP growth has been stronger than expected, at 1%, one of the best figures in Europe.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_France
 
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France has the 5th largest economy in the world, the 2nd largest in Europe, only suffered 1 year of recession and has seen continuous economic growth since the 2nd quarter of '09.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_France

France's PERFORMANCE is abysmal. The SIZE of the economy means NOTHING about current performance - the US is number one in SIZE, yet one out of six people able to work are unemployed. Really, give it up Sparky. :p
 
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France's PERFORMANCE is abysmal. The SIZE of the economy means NOTHING about current performance - the US is number one in SIZE, yet one out of six people able to work are unemployed. Really, give it up Sparky. :p

So economic growth (beyond projections no less) isn't a sign of performance now? As you say, give it up. :rolleyes:
 
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So economic growth (beyond projections no less) isn't a sign of performance now? As you say, give it up. :rolleyes:

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?? France's growth is abysmal - as I showed. You're confusing economic SIZE, a legacy of centuries for a country, with GROWTH, an index of current performance. You sound you're mistaking what I said with what you said. :p
 
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem?? France's growth is abysmal - as I showed. You're confusing economic SIZE, a legacy of centuries for a country, with GROWTH, an index of current performance. You sound you're mistaking what I said with what you said. :p

As of September 2010, France's economy has been growing continuously since the second quarter of 2009.[8] Between January and March 2011, France's GDP growth has been stronger than expected, at 1%, one of the best figures in Europe.[9]

Seems you can't read.
 

myp

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In all fairness, France has, so far, been generally successful in recovering from the financial crisis. The Euro crisis is a matter of political will and sensibility, not capability.
Recovering from a contagion from the US? Sure, that's arguable. Recovering from the Euro woes and what seems like an inevitable Greek default? No way. According to Fitch, French banks have upwards of 70 billion euros in PIIGS debt. They can easily become insolvent looking at the way things are going. Then it is Lehman all over again without the safety of the USD and without a national central bank like the Fed (which is arguably good or bad). You can't tell me they are doing fine- anyone who thinks so is looking at the past and not the very real prospects and likely probabilities. It is like saying the US was in a golden age in 2006 before the bubble burst. Sure you can make the claim, but when your banks are leveraged as they were and credit is being thrown around like it was, it is just a recipe for disaster.
 
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Seems you can't read.

You keep posting bald-faced lies. From the IMF data I already posted, France's growth rate lags behind just in europe

Belarus
Georgia
Sweden
Russia
Poland
Malta
germany
Albania
Luxembourg
Finland
Estonia
Armenia
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Denmark
Belgium
Austria
Serbia
Netherlands
 
Jul 2009
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You keep posting bald-faced lies. From the IMF data I already posted, France's growth rate lags behind just in europe

Belarus
Georgia
Sweden
Russia
Poland
Malta
germany
Albania
Luxembourg
Finland
Estonia
Armenia
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Denmark
Belgium
Austria
Serbia
Netherlands

Your point? It's still 1 of the stronger economies which I remind you is my point. Never said they were #1 now did I? ;)
 

myp

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Any response to my post on why France is not as strong as you seem to imply David?
 
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Your point? It's still 1 of the stronger economies which I remind you is my point. Never said they were #1 now did I? ;)

>>THEY'RE 143 OUT OF 184 COUNTRIES<<<

:p Enough - you're frigging retarded - you couldn't register a fact if it was pounded into your skull with a mallet.
 
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