Obese People: 2 Airline Seats for the Price of 1

Mar 2009
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There is already a "smoking tax" here and a drinking tax. They hit booze with a 6% jump in state tax last month. I am just waiting for a sex tax to come along. But first they need to tax us for breathing.
Tax for breathing? So Oxygen will not be free anymore? Many people will definitely die and population on earth will be diminished. Do you think that that tax is suitable and acceptable?
 
Mar 2009
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Tax for breathing? So Oxygen will not be free anymore? Many people will definitely die and population on earth will be diminished. Do you think that that tax is suitable and acceptable?

I don't think 90% of taxes are suitable. But I have no choice but to accept whatever they do to me. They have the power. They think they can run my life better than I can.:confused:
 
Mar 2009
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I don't think 90% of taxes are suitable. But I have no choice but to accept whatever they do to me. They have the power. They think they can run my life better than I can.:confused:
If all things are taxed, I will definitely complain. I will not accept that kind of crap.
It can also lead to people revolution. :(
 
Mar 2009
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If all things are taxed, I will definitely complain. I will not accept that kind of crap.
It can also lead to people revolution. :(

As of now, the way I see it... there is either a minority of people that are unhappy about certain taxes and feel helpless to do anything about it... or the problem just doesn't bother them enough to do anything about it. In either case, people complain, but at the end of the day... they live with it. There are always alternative choices - people just have to weigh the pros and cons.
 
Mar 2009
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As of now, the way I see it... there is either a minority of people that are unhappy about certain taxes and feel helpless to do anything about it... or the problem just doesn't bother them enough to do anything about it. In either case, people complain, but at the end of the day... they live with it. There are always alternative choices - people just have to weigh the pros and cons.
Looks as though people are beginning to wake up slowly though. Heard there are Tea Parties being organized all of the United States. Did you manage to attend any of them?
 
Mar 2009
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Looks as though people are beginning to wake up slowly though. Heard there are Tea Parties being organized all of the United States. Did you manage to attend any of them?
From what I knew, tea parties originated from Japan and often called tea ceremony. I have seen them on Japanese dramas but I haven't tried to go into one.
 
Mar 2009
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Florida, USA
Geki Dan, they are referring to an incident in American history known as the Boston Tea Party. When we were building up to the revolution, Parliament in England passed a tax on tea imported into the colonies, and a bunch of rebellious people raided a ship loaded with tea and dumped it all into Boston Harbor. It's known as the Boston Tea Party. So they are talking about symbolic acts of rebellion.
 
Mar 2009
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Geki Dan, they are referring to an incident in American history known as the Boston Tea Party. When we were building up to the revolution, Parliament in England passed a tax on tea imported into the colonies, and a bunch of rebellious people raided a ship loaded with tea and dumped it all into Boston Harbor. It's known as the Boston Tea Party. So they are talking about symbolic acts of rebellion.
Lately though we have been referring to the Tax Tea Parties that have been held all over the country during 2009, protesting the Government's bail-out package and new taxation. To learn more refer Wikipedia link below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_%22tea_party%22_protests
 
Mar 2009
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Philippines
Geki Dan, they are referring to an incident in American history known as the Boston Tea Party. When we were building up to the revolution, Parliament in England passed a tax on tea imported into the colonies, and a bunch of rebellious people raided a ship loaded with tea and dumped it all into Boston Harbor. It's known as the Boston Tea Party. So they are talking about symbolic acts of rebellion.
Well... Sorry about my mistake.
I really thought you are refering to that.
 
Mar 2009
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Florida, USA
It wasn't a mistake. It's one of those cultural references that are hard sometimes even when you live in a country. And I wasn't clear that there are currently demonstrations going on that are named after the tea dumping incident back before the revolution.
 
Mar 2009
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Florida, USA
I've been thinking about the original topic. The airline's position seems to be that those of us who are large make the trip uncomfortable for others. So I started to think about people who bring children less than two on flights for free, assuming there will be seats for them. If the flight is full, then the accompanying adult must hold the child on his or her lap for the entire flight. If you have ever sat next to one of these parents and child combinations, you know it can be miserable. The kid flops around into your space. Every move made effects you. I've been kicked and punched. If the airline stopped offering free seats and made the parents pay, I'd think the two seat thing for overweight people was fair. Why should those with small children get a discount for making me uncomfortable, while I might be expected to pay extra for the same offence?

My other question is about enforcement. If I pay for two seats then they are mine. So, if I'm sitting there in my window/center double seat, and the person on the aisle sees it as an empty seat and starts putting stuff on it, or raises the arm and slides over a bit, or uses the underseat storage, can I tell them no? And will the flight attendants then have to arbitrate if the person doesn't comply. I'll expect double everything, of course. Double checked bag allowance, double weight allowance, two meals, double drinks, two blankets on the airlines that still supply them, and double frequent flyer miles.
 
Mar 2009
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I've been thinking about the original topic. The airline's position seems to be that those of us who are large make the trip uncomfortable for others. So I started to think about people who bring children less than two on flights for free, assuming there will be seats for them. If the flight is full, then the accompanying adult must hold the child on his or her lap for the entire flight. If you have ever sat next to one of these parents and child combinations, you know it can be miserable. The kid flops around into your space. Every move made effects you. I've been kicked and punched. If the airline stopped offering free seats and made the parents pay, I'd think the two seat thing for overweight people was fair. Why should those with small children get a discount for making me uncomfortable, while I might be expected to pay extra for the same offence?

My other question is about enforcement. If I pay for two seats then they are mine. So, if I'm sitting there in my window/center double seat, and the person on the aisle sees it as an empty seat and starts putting stuff on it, or raises the arm and slides over a bit, or uses the underseat storage, can I tell them no? And will the flight attendants then have to arbitrate if the person doesn't comply. I'll expect double everything, of course. Double checked bag allowance, double weight allowance, two meals, double drinks, two blankets on the airlines that still supply them, and double frequent flyer miles.
Two excellent points. I also have a beef about small children. I wish they could actually section of a sound-proof area for children, like a pen of some kind, or make it compulsory for small children to be sedated for the journey. But yes, it is most unfair when you have paid for your seat, for your space to be compromised by small children, not to mention the restlessness and complete disruption of personal space. And I totally agree. If they wish to make such a big deal out of obese people, then they have to do something about people who are supposed to carry their children on their laps. There has to be two seats for that too.

I agree totally. If a person has paid for a double seat, they should get double privileges of everything. But I have had that happening to me too. I have done this when travelling by bus and have found that compromised exactly in the way you described. I have not tried it for air travel, wish I could do that though. I have travelled quite a bit by air with a great variety of airlines and there are quite a number of instances where I would have liked to have an empty seat next to me.
 
Mar 2009
422
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Florida, USA
I tried the 'paying for two seats' on an Indian bus once. The other passengers honestly couldn't understand why I should have more space just because I paid extra. The people in the seats I had paid for refused to move. They actually had not paid for reserved seats at all, but were supposed to be on the bus on a space available basis. There were eight people in a rear seat with five official seats. I had to keep my backpack between my legs and let a young bot sit on it. After that, I took trains or luxury buses when available. I would have thought it was an adventure when I was younger, but at 59? Only when it is the only form of transportation available.
 
Mar 2009
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I tried the 'paying for two seats' on an Indian bus once. The other passengers honestly couldn't understand why I should have more space just because I paid extra. The people in the seats I had paid for refused to move. They actually had not paid for reserved seats at all, but were supposed to be on the bus on a space available basis. There were eight people in a rear seat with five official seats. I had to keep my backpack between my legs and let a young bot sit on it. After that, I took trains or luxury buses when available. I would have thought it was an adventure when I was younger, but at 59? Only when it is the only form of transportation available.
I've had that happening to me too, and in addition people boarding with loads of shopping and suitcases and these being stacked in the passage way as well as the exit door. Guess public transportation is quite a challenge in the Middle East as well.
 
Mar 2009
422
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Florida, USA
I got on a trans-Pacific flight once, got to my seat only to find a very sweet flight attendant helping someone load four bags into the overhead, leaving me with no place for mine. I asked where I should put mine, and was told to take my seat and wait. I was annoyed, but did as requested. Just before the doors closed, she came back for me and moved me to an empty center row! I think she was grateful I didn't yell or make a fuss. I got to stretch out full length and sleep!
 
Mar 2009
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I got on a trans-Pacific flight once, got to my seat only to find a very sweet flight attendant helping someone load four bags into the overhead, leaving me with no place for mine. I asked where I should put mine, and was told to take my seat and wait. I was annoyed, but did as requested. Just before the doors closed, she came back for me and moved me to an empty center row! I think she was grateful I didn't yell or make a fuss. I got to stretch out full length and sleep!
Wish I had that magic touch! I usually have to ask to move, but have found the flight attendants always nice in agreeing. I usually wait until we are airborn before I make my moves.
 
Mar 2009
422
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Florida, USA
I've just moved, too. Looked around, and grabbed a few seats so I could curl up. I also ask at checkin if they can keep the seat next to me empty, because people don't like sitting next to me.

Then there are the people with the opposite goal. I got on a plane, aisle seat in the big center row, just me at one end and another woman at the other. Great, I thought, we can take turns stretching out and sleeping. But no, she was traveling with friends and proceeded to invite them over to chat, taking up my nice empty row, and sometimes disturbing me to let them in and out.
 
Mar 2009
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I've just moved, too. Looked around, and grabbed a few seats so I could curl up. I also ask at checkin if they can keep the seat next to me empty, because people don't like sitting next to me.

Then there are the people with the opposite goal. I got on a plane, aisle seat in the big center row, just me at one end and another woman at the other. Great, I thought, we can take turns stretching out and sleeping. But no, she was traveling with friends and proceeded to invite them over to chat, taking up my nice empty row, and sometimes disturbing me to let them in and out.
That can be a nuisance. Restless anything around me is irritating, including children who are fidgetting. I try and get the seats to the back of the coach as people with families generally are more towards the front. I tend to book the window seats, only problem being with that of course is that you have to disturb people when you have to get out to stretch your legs.
 
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