Plane crashes into IRS building- tax protest?

David · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
And there are so many other ways of showing you're dissatisfied. If you're using violence, you're going to distance yourself even more from the government.

Anti-gov't forces distancing themselves from gov't... Isn't that the point?

Let us hope it never has to arise.

Too late for that. As the economy continues to sour (the "recovery" will only last as long as the made up $ do, so 5 or so years) people will get more and more angry. At some point the odd terrorist attack will become the small rebellion and the small rebellion large scale and organized open revolt. At most I give the USA 50 years to civil war.

Dirk · Feb 20, 2010

The US is a traditionally left-wing country. It's been pushed so far, it's really only a matter of time before there's a boomerang effect. They can't go on undermining left wing organisations forever.

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

David said:
Too late for that. As the economy continues to sour (the "recovery" will only last as long as the made up $ do, so 5 or so years) people will get more and more angry. At some point the odd terrorist attack will become the small rebellion and the small rebellion large scale and organized open revolt. At most I give the USA 50 years to civil war.

This is a little too extremist. People in the US have a tendency to find smart solutions, they have done so before. I have a better faith in the American population to look at how they've solved things in the past, and continue bringing that into todays situation.

David · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
This is a little too extremist. People in the US have a tendency to find smart solutions, they have done so before. I have a better faith in the American population to look at how they've solved things in the past, and continue bringing that into todays situation.

You mean like the President ordering an air strike on the Rednecks, The army dispersing unpaid WW1 vets protesting, shooting of collage students by the NG, and so on and so forth? That past?

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

David said:
You mean like the President ordering an air strike on the Rednecks, The army dispersing unpaid WW1 vets protesting, shooting of collage students by the NG, and so on and so forth? That past?

No. Today the US is among the most modernized countries in the world, and not saying Americans are clean and innocent human beings who have never committed anything. But for the US to still be, today, a civil and modernized country, it has found solutions in the past to come to this point today. And I believe that instead of being stuck in the current financial difficulties, they'll all find a way of moving on. They have managed to do that before.

David · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
No. Today the US is among the most modernized countries in the world, and not saying Americans are clean and innocent human beings who have never committed anything. But for the US to still be, today, a civil and modernized country, it has found solutions in the past to come to this point today. And I believe that instead of being stuck in the current financial difficulties, they'll all find a way of moving on. They have managed to do that before.

Before we had self-efficiency. Before, we had a strong industrial complex. Before we had hard currency.

Now we have dependencies. Now we have an almost purely consumer based economy. Now we have inflation dollars, bonds and IOUs.

Before we had an economic foundation, even in times of economic hardship. Now we have a house of cards due to our state-capitalism and we now suffer as the Soviets did when their house of cards fell.

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

David said:
Before we had self-efficiency. Before, we had a strong industrial complex. Before we had hard currency.

To have had all this in the past, the Americans must have had worked for it. Same can be done again.

Dirk said:
Now we have dependencies. Now we have an almost purely consumer based economy. Now we have inflation dollars, bonds and IOUs.

And this means we can't do anything about it?

Dirk said:
Before we had an economic foundation, even in times of economic hardship. Now we have a house of cards due to our state-capitalism and we now suffer as the Soviets did when their house of cards fell.

The Russians suffered much more than the Americans did, they're still suffering 20 years on.

David · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
To have had all this in the past, the Americans must have had worked for it. Same can be done again.

And this means we can't do anything about it?

The Russians suffered much more than the Americans did, they're still suffering 20 years on.

Suffering? They're rising!

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

David said:
Suffering? They're rising!

The Russian state, yes. But the inhabitants? Hardly.

David · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
The Russian state, yes. But the inhabitants? Hardly.

The Russian state is all that matters. Remember, the Russians like authoritarianism.

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

David said:
The Russian state is all that matters. Remember, the Russians like authoritarianism.

It wasn't all that mattered 20 years ago. Poverty is what broke the Soviet Union down at last, it's because the American government had money to use both on weapons and its people. The Soviet state had to choose, weapons or its own people and the choice went in the favour of arms, and it in the end the entire system crashed.

David · Feb 21, 2010

GOP said:
It wasn't all that mattered 20 years ago. Poverty is what broke the Soviet Union down at last, it's because the American government had money to use both on weapons and its people. The Soviet state had to choose, weapons or its own people and the choice went in the favour of arms, and it in the end the entire system crashed.

We went into a deep recession immediately after that. Had the Soviets held on for another 6 months, the US economy would have collapsed. We gambled that our money reserves were greater. We gambled right.

It was a photo finish, nothing more.

GOP · Feb 21, 2010

David said:
We went into a deep recession immediately after that. Had the Soviets held on for another 6 months, the US economy would have collapsed. We gambled that our money reserves were greater. We gambled right.

It was a photo finish, nothing more.

But the United States never crashed, the United States stayed on. That's the most important thing to remember.

Dirk · Feb 22, 2010

Stalinism actually made more economic sense than what they adopted with (what were they called, the lieberman reforms?)

It was all also hopelessly statist and authoritarian, meanwhile allowing no platform for actual socialists. Disaster.

But i never understood - why the reforms in the first place? I suppose it was to help wealthy bureaucrats or something?

chuck schmidt · Feb 23, 2010

GOP said:
Of course, and it wasn't just any office. It was the office belonging to the economical heart of the West. Of course it was a target.

A Texas regional IRS office is the economic heart of the west? Or even the IRS ityself??? woW !!! That seems to betray a deeply statist poster. Guns versus butter. Every cent spent by the government takes away from prosperity, don't they say?

deanhills · Mar 4, 2010

GOP said:
But the United States never crashed, the United States stayed on.

Right, but they are hanging on by their nails. Lots of reform needed, not only in the United States Government but in Governments all over the world. Wonder whether we are going to live through a new generation of revolutions everywhere in the world one of these days?

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