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I will not bite on this one this time. Some people just don't get it and maybe they should let go. This topic has been hashed and rehashed for years. It is a waste of time even discussing it anymore.
If anyone really wanted to know they could read the Bible.
The Bible says many things. Some parts tell you to sacrifice your own kids then other parts say that murder is a sin. Some parts say to live and let live and other parts say to kill ever man, woman and child who stands in your way. Reading the Bible is like talking to someone with MPD.
I am well aware of all that. But people that don't believe keep going around trying to get people that do to "defend" it. As I keep saying I don't care what anyone else believes. And in my opinion God does not need defending and I would not be the one to do it anyway. This is not the first time this topic has come to this board either. It just gets redundant after years of the same old questions. Maybe the day will come when they can ask God in person.
I for one never try to "convert" anyone. But more and more people seem to think they need to "un convert" me. So they play the silly "can you defend your beliefs" game. I have nothing to defend.
As for hell being a "scare-tactic", I want everyone to find out the truth on their own. Someone is sure to get surprised either way.
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I tried explaining until I realized the question is just bait for an excuse to criticize and insult. "Unfortunate" that people that don't believe in God have nothing better to do than troll about God. If you don't believe in God fine. I don't care.
I tried explaining until I realized the question is just bait for an excuse to criticize and insult. "Unfortunate" that people that don't believe in God have nothing better to do than troll about God. If you don't believe in God fine. I don't care.
I highly resent being accused of something I neither did nor intended to do. I certainly don't criticize anyone's religion - I'm aware that such behavior has caused a great deal of grief for humanity. You need to lose the defensive hair trigger and stop making false accusations without any basis whatsoever.
Well since I resented the original question I guess that makes us even. If not, oh well.
Well since I resented the original question I guess that makes us even. If not, oh well.
What could there possibly be in original question to resent??? If someone asked for an explanation of the Ten Commandments, would you resent that too?
I don't know........maybe I would. I have been hounded and insulted about believing in God for at least 3 years. And not one of them seriously wanted an answer.
So you have had your say, and I had mine. So this thread is done for me now.
I don't know........maybe I would. I have been hounded and insulted about believing in God for at least 3 years. And not one of them seriously wanted an answer.
So you have had your say, and I had mine. So this thread is done for me now.
Lessee if I go this right - some in the past were insincere in their questions about religion, so you conclude everyone must be insincere in their questioins about religion.
The theory goes that God is willing to forgive, even up to the last second before death, if the person truly repents of their evil deeds and accepts the Holy Spirit. It it therefore the actions of the sinners spurning forgiveness that sends them to hell. God perpetually reaches out a hand to pull people out of the muck but the people sinking in the quicksand have to take it.
God forgives those who sincerely seek forgiveness. Many do: Many do not.
God created man with free will, and man chooses God or chooses against God. If a man chooses against God, then that man has chosen Hell: God did not send him there.
Actually there is a third position - agnostics who don't know whether God exists.
I was just answering the question, which was a question "for Christians" according to the thread title. I gave the Christian answer.
As for knowing whether God exists: Frankly, that's a cop out. If you get arrested for breaking the law and your excuse is "I didn't know", the judge will tell you that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Likewise, an agnostic has access to all the same information and God-given common sense that I do, so his fence-sitting ain't going to cut the mustard.
If someone is waiting for God to prove himself to them, they have a long wait in store. If dying on the cross and rising again wasn't proof enough, then they are SOL.
I don't understand your answer. You clearly made is a black and white case - either you're for God or you're against, when that is not the case.
Your analogy isn't real argument, and as I said, the evidence, limited to ancient texts of uncertain provenance, aren't proof. Further, Christians frequently talk about faith - why would they need faith if they had proof??
You are of course claiming without proof that those events actually happened. If people had PROOF they happened, everyone would believe.
What proof do you have that the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock? No more than I have, ultimately.
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