Question for Christians #1

Jul 2011
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Is God all-forgiving?

If so, why would he send people to hell?

(Full disclosure: I am an agnostic.)

I'd love to just simply go: What God? but we are all professionals here and you all deserve more then that.

I believe it has already been said:
God forgives those who sincerely seek forgiveness. Many do: Many do not.

Although I do not agree with the rest of those statements, but I do believe to that and think it covers this topic.
 
Aug 2011
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I'd love to just simply go: What God? but we are all professionals here and you all deserve more then that.

I believe it has already been said:


Although I do not agree with the rest of those statements, but I do believe to that and think it covers this topic.

Actually, as I already pointed out, it doesn't. It condemns those who don't know if God exists. What are they supposed to do - PRETEND to believe and ask forgiveness?
 
Jan 2010
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Is God all-forgiving?

If so, why would he send people to hell?

(Full disclosure: I am an agnostic.)


skeptic-f gave you the answer -
The theory goes that God is willing to forgive, even up to the last second before death, if the person truly repents of their evil deeds and accepts the Holy Spirit. It it therefore the actions of the sinners spurning forgiveness that sends them to hell. God perpetually reaches out a hand to pull people out of the muck but the people sinking in the quicksand have to take it.

Thats a good answer. People have a choice, believe or not. Those that choose not to believe go to hell.
 
Feb 2011
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Is God all-forgiving?

If so, why would he send people to hell?

(Full disclosure: I am an agnostic.)

Exactly what I have asked many religious fruitcakes for years. They tend to ignore the question, because they know the answer would mean their God is an all-powerful HITLER. From what I have read of the Holy Bible, God is an asshole of the highest order. The only leader which makes sense would be good ol' Lucifer.
 
Feb 2011
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skeptic-f gave you the answer -
The theory goes that God is willing to forgive, even up to the last second before death, if the person truly repents of their evil deeds and accepts the Holy Spirit. It it therefore the actions of the sinners spurning forgiveness that sends them to hell. God perpetually reaches out a hand to pull people out of the muck but the people sinking in the quicksand have to take it.

Thats a good answer. People have a choice, believe or not. Those that choose not to believe go to hell.

So, I must suck God's cock in order to be allowed to live in Heaven? Sounds like a dictatorship to me. No wonder Lucifer sought to overthrow Him, and rightfully so.
 
Aug 2011
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skeptic-f gave you the answer -
The theory goes that God is willing to forgive, even up to the last second before death, if the person truly repents of their evil deeds and accepts the Holy Spirit. It it therefore the actions of the sinners spurning forgiveness that sends them to hell. God perpetually reaches out a hand to pull people out of the muck but the people sinking in the quicksand have to take it.

Thats a good answer. People have a choice, believe or not. Those that choose not to believe go to hell.

OK, I'll play your game. Why would God send people to hell if they chose not to believe? It seems to be a terrible punishment simply for not accepting as fact the claims of some ancient texts.
 
Aug 2011
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God doesn't - the Devil does

OK, I'll play your game. Why would God send people to hell if they chose not to believe? It seems to be a terrible punishment simply for not accepting as fact the claims of some ancient texts.

The Devil is not an authorized agent of God. Remember the whole "revolt in heaven" business and the casting out of Lucifer. Presumably God would have preferred a greatly extended Purgatory (aka Limbo) where souls that couldn't find their way to God would have a chance to eventually make the spiritual jump and accept him. Instead, those who have been evil (and that's broadly defined) are by default within the domain of Lucifer and he isn't a fan of humanity. That's the Christian viewpoint, anyway.
 
Aug 2011
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The Devil is not an authorized agent of God. Remember the whole "revolt in heaven" business and the casting out of Lucifer. Presumably God would have preferred a greatly extended Purgatory (aka Limbo) where souls that couldn't find their way to God would have a chance to eventually make the spiritual jump and accept him. Instead, those who have been evil (and that's broadly defined) are by default within the domain of Lucifer and he isn't a fan of humanity. That's the Christian viewpoint, anyway.

A person can live a righteous life, not sin, and yet not believe, and he'll still end up in hell. Asking someone to believe is like asking them to have a high IQ - either they do or they don't. If they don't, there's nothing they can do about it, except pretend to believe, and that I'm guessing wouldn't sit well with God either.
 
Jan 2010
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OK, I'll play your game. Why would God send people to hell if they chose not to believe? It seems to be a terrible punishment simply for not accepting as fact the claims of some ancient texts.

I don't know God's specific motivation for having this test. Complete understanding of God's motivation and objectives is beyond our understanding at this point.

Those that recognize the truth in the texts and in their lives, and accept the offer for salvation, are separated from the rest. People that simply don't recognize the texts as divine, or do recognize the divinity and reject it, fail the test.
 
Jan 2010
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A person can live a righteous life, not sin, and yet not believe, and he'll still end up in hell. Asking someone to believe is like asking them to have a high IQ - either they do or they don't. If they don't, there's nothing they can do about it, except pretend to believe, and that I'm guessing wouldn't sit well with God either.

Christian salvation is based on faith not works. Good works follow from faith and Christians are expected to do good works.

Since "sin" is typically defined by each religion, and usually includes unbelief in their God as a sin, living without "sin" is impossible for a nonbeliever. But I understand your point is more generic.

There is a very strong correlation between good deeds and religious belief. CHaritable and non-profits have studied this at length, and you can find a good summary in Arthur Brooks book. Charities want to maximize the efficiency of fund raising and know that targeting religious populations is much more effective. People with a religious belief (not limited to Christianity) donate more, volunteer more, etc than people without religious belief.

It is unlikely that an atheist would live a rightous sinless life.
 
Aug 2011
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Christian salvation is based on faith not works.

So the whole deal is you believe something without proof, or go to hell.

Good works follow from faith and Christians are expected to do good works.

Faith is not a prerequisite for good works.

Since "sin" is typically defined by each religion, and usually includes unbelief in their God as a sin, living without "sin" is impossible for a nonbeliever. But I understand your point is more generic.

Thank you. A person can leave a good upstanding life, by criteria set down by religionists, and still face eternal damnation.

There is a very strong correlation between good deeds and religious belief. CHaritable and non-profits have studied this at length, and you can find a good summary in Arthur Brooks book. Charities want to maximize the efficiency of fund raising and know that targeting religious populations is much more effective. People with a religious belief (not limited to Christianity) donate more, volunteer more, etc than people without religious belief.

Assuming what you say is true, that still leaves some charitable non-believers condemned to hell.

It is unlikely that an atheist would live a rightous sinless life.

Proof? Evidence?
 
Jan 2012
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God is all forgiving, he dose not send people to hell, people choose hell through distance from the holy spirit
 
Feb 2011
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God is all forgiving, he dose not send people to hell, people choose hell through distance from the holy spirit

Wrong, according to your own Bible, he sends them to Hell. That makes him your executioner. People love this ****ing guy? Satan calls God an 'hypocrite' and he is 100% correct, which is why I would follow him if he were real.
 
Mar 2009
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Wrong, according to your own Bible, he sends them to Hell. That makes him your executioner. People love this ****ing guy? Satan calls God an 'hypocrite' and he is 100% correct, which is why I would follow him if he were real.

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I don't see you as much of a follower.:rolleyes:
 
Jan 2012
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Wrong, according to your own Bible, he sends them to Hell. That makes him your executioner. People love this ****ing guy? Satan calls God an 'hypocrite' and he is 100% correct, which is why I would follow him if he were real.
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Jan 2012
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People don't "choose hell", that's ridiculous.

Hell is distance from the holy spirit, faith is a choice. No faith is in action, therefor you choose not to have faith, you choose hell.

Explain how you do not choose hell

My theory is you are not going to hell but that you exist in it, by your lack of faith you have chosen distance from god.
 
Aug 2011
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Hell is distance from the holy spirit, faith is a choice. No faith is in action, therefor you choose not to have faith, you choose hell.

Explain how you do not choose hell

My theory is you are not going to hell but that you exist in it, by your lack of faith you have chosen distance from god.

People make choices based on the demonstrated facts. If no facts are presented, some won't make a choice. Saying not making a choice is a "choice" in and of itself is a misuse of language.
 
Jan 2012
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People make choices based on the demonstrated facts. If no facts are presented, some won't make a choice. Saying not making a choice is a "choice" in and of itself is a misuse of language.
What keeps you from making a choice?
 
Jan 2012
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People make choices based on the demonstrated facts. If no facts are presented, some won't make a choice. Saying not making a choice is a "choice" in and of itself is a misuse of language.
either you choose to have faith or you choose not to have faith, what else is there.

Explain how not making a choice is not something you choose. You base choice on fact, not on intuition. So you have no favorite foods, colors, music, ecetera. Because what makes you choose your music is not provable fact, it is opinion.

You are misusing language
 
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