That's nonsense - either one has faith or one doesn't - choosing is not involved. Saying "have faith" is like saying "have a high IQ". Saying you have a choice to have faith is like saying you have a choice to like broccoli or not like it.
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That's nonsense - either one has faith or one doesn't - choosing is not involved. Saying "have faith" is like saying "have a high IQ". Saying you have a choice to have faith is like saying you have a choice to like broccoli or not like it.
faith is a choice. Similar to education, you can't have it unless you get it.
I wasn't born with faith, it was a hard thing to learn, but my choice was to take the steps nessacary to find it, once I found it I had it.
And you do choose to like broccli.
by stating this you have shown you have no concept of what faith is. Until you can listen to an expert on faith than you will never learn anything.
I was once an atheists(that means without faith) I was in a dark place at one point in my life I reached out in the only way I had left, and things got better. By that reaching out I found hope, and through that hope I was able to get out of that dark place.
Nothing else worked.
That is the definiton of the word, if that is the depth of your understanding, you haven't even scratched the surface.
Finding faith is a process which begins with a choice to accept that you don't know everything.
The path to salvation will shake you to your very core, and make you question everything you ever knew. If you only know what is proovable, you are not ready.
It is a path you take alone, because in this world you are truly alone, until we can share our conciousness with others.
The perscribed path is written out in clarity, you just have to accept it, or otherwise be atheist
Meaning if I had deeper understanding, I'd agree that a word doesn't mean what it means?
Rational investigation starts the same way.
No, you can also be an agnostic, and I don't have to accept anything. The path to Ganesh the Hindu Elephant god is written out clearly - why don't you accept that??
no, you will understand through experiance what the experiance is like. And the word means exactly what it means, but the action, or the application of it is not defined by words.
Of course that is true but you asked a question of christians, not of agnostics or hindu. You want to know how to gain faith all I know is the christian way, and its not the only way.
You are once again confusing subjective experience with proof - they are two distinct concepts.
You missed the point - if there are many faiths, all of which claim to be the truth, and none of which offer proof, why would anyone choose a particular one of them? Or ANY one of them?
true but I don't think proof can exist without a human to precive it.
good question, I guess you choose the one you like the best, they all claim they are the only right one, the only conclusions you can come to is they are all flawed. Which was my point from the begining. Religion is a vehicle to faith.
Interesting discussion but I think it a shame that the statement was made that it's unlikely that an atheist would live a righteous sinless life.
What do you base that on exactly?
A person does not need to have a religious belief in order to lead a sinless life...if by sin you mean lies, murder, stealing, deceit and so on.
An atheist is just as capable of doing a good deed, a favour, a kindness, as a follower of religion is.
The only difference is that they do it from goodness of heart and kindness of character and not as a reference to Holy Laws.
What do you base that on exactly?
A person does not need to have a religious belief in order to lead a sinless life...if by sin you mean lies, murder, stealing, deceit and so on.
An atheist is just as capable of doing a good deed, a favour, a kindness, as a follower of religion is.
The only difference is that they do it from goodness of heart and kindness of character and not as a reference to Holy Laws.
You are mistaken, nobody can live a sinless life. Christians, atheists, buddests, and so on are all sinners. But in mathew jesus said himself his grace is not for those without sin, what use is salvation for someone who is without sin.
In short, jesus's people are sinners.
But you are absolutly right an atheist person can lead a life of kindness, and compation, and in the after life can be forgiven of sins and offered salvation. All sins are condemnable but all sins are redemable as well, only through christ can they be redemed that dosent nessacarily have to happen early in a persons life. Moments before they die or perhaps even after, I have never died, so I am unsure.
Well yes, I suppose that everyone is a sinner if you mean wanting things they dont have. I was thinking more of theft, deliberate lies and things like that which harm other people by your action. Sinful thought would be known only to yourself and presumably to God and in that case then yes, everyone is a sinner at some point.
Sin is also perpitrated by in action, as in letting people starve when you have enough to share. Places in the bible state it is worse to let someone starve than it is to take food from them.
In short apathy is the worst sin
Dont read the bible read the catechism of the catholic church
did you read dr faust
dude it is how you live your life not your belife in the bible
yo stop repeating what everyone esle says (i am a catholic)
this is stupid every religon tells me i'll go to hell if i chose another religon
so i just stayed the same religon sence i was born i figured if god wanted me to be in a another religon he would have put me there
apthy is subjective what you consider apathy i could consider something else (in terms of sin)
Do you think this is putting a 'fear factor' into it? ie Do this or you will suffer forever!
It isn't about, do this or you will suffer, if that was the case no one would ever get to "heaven" and there would be no point.
Fear works in some cases but it is a primative method.
The way I think about it is treat others as though you love them and treat your self with the same love and you will be in your masters domain.
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