Republican candidates focus on Iowa as caucuses approach

Dec 2011
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On the other forum I used to post on, I said several times that I predict Mr. Paul to win Iowa.

He has zero chance of winning the GOP nomination, but he has a very good chance of taking Iowa.

Also, do not be surprised if Mr. Santorum ends up having a decent showing in the Iowa Caucus. I believe he may end up in the top three after Iowa concludes voting.
 

myp

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Paul has certainly put a lot of effort into Iowa (as has Santorum). I think Paul might end up surprising people, but I don't see him winning overall either at this point. I am kind of surprised how far Huntsman is at the bottom.
 
Dec 2011
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Paul is leading in many Iowa Caucus polls. There is a better than fifty-percent chance he takes Iowa.

I believe it will come down to Paul, Romney, Gingrich or Santorum. They are the only ones that have a prayer at Iowa.

In regards to Huntsman, allow me to preface my comments with this. I have been a Democrat most of my life. But I have always been a logical Democrat. You never saw me carrying the torch for the party, being overly bias and partisan or constantly attacking Republicans. I believe the Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians have great ideas and all sides need to hang up their partisan goggles and exchange them for logical, intelligent and common sense compromise and progress.

Over the past ten years, I have moved over to the Libertarian Party. I grew tired of the constant bickering and extreme partisan and bias rhetoric.

I will give anyone a chance regarding politics. I keep a very open mind. I have voted in ten presidential elections. Four have been Democrats, four were Libertarians/Independents and two Republicans. I am one of the least partisan person you will find in politics. I call it as I see it and both hold accountable and praise the Democrats and Republicans.

That said, there were only three Republicans I would have voted for; Paul, Huntsman and Cain.

Now that Mr. Cain has dropped out, and Huntsman has decided to run as a Libertarian, Mr. Paul is the only GOP candidate I would consider. I could never pull the lever for Perry, Bachmann or Romney. All three would be either a lateral or backward move from our current president. If Ron Paul wins the GOP ticket (and there is no way he would), I would give him a serious look.

Now that Mr. Huntsman is running as a Libertarian, he has a good chance at winning the nomination. The current Libertarian field is weak, and I see no other candidate challenging him. If Mr. Huntsman is the Libertarian candidate, I will likewise give him some serious thought.

I will say I still have hope for Obama. While I did not vote for him in 08 (I voted for Barr), I have been pulling for him and wishing success. He has not been awful, but he hardly has turned heads either. I give him a solid "C."

There is still time for him to turn matters around. If he approves the pipeline and the unemployment rate drops to five or six percent, he may get my vote. A lot can happen between now and election time.

What I will not do is vote for Obama if the unemployment rate remains around where it currently is. Obama, so far, has been an average president. Right now, in these tough times, we do not need average. We need great. And unless Mr. Obama proves to me he can rise to greatness, I will be looking at either Paul or Huntsman.
 

myp

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I am with you in not caring about the parties. I am a registered Republican, but would have no problem voting outside of the GOP nomination (I wrote in Ron Paul last time- I didn't believe in Obama or McCain and still wanted to vote :p). I am a younger voter so this will only be my 2nd Presidential election (and 3rd overall), but at this point I am not sure if I will even vote this time around. If I do, it will likely be more because of the Congressional candidates than the Presidential ones. I am not sure any of the candidates on the stage (maybe, just maybe Paul or Huntsman could be an exception), especially the ones who are likely to win the nomination, will actually do much good. It will come down more to who will do the least bad.

I think the expectations for Presidents are often too high, so part of this might be because inherently the position can only accomplish so much. Inherent limits aside, some of these candidates are just awful anyway. Still deliberating, but I don't see many people running who actually understand the real major issues (things like cleaning up the tax code [and no a flat tax, is not a fair- it is regressive], doing something about the patent crisis that is developing, doing something about the tuition bubble (although Paul's ideas would probably deflate that), setting a precedent for greater fiscal responsibility AND greater economic understanding, changing incentives for politicians so they do NOT keep selling out, etc.) AND can get solutions passed.
 
Aug 2011
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The lib media has promoted Paul ever since the primaries began, because they see what effect he would have - re-elect obama. Except for Paul, the conservatives would have united around a single candidate by now. Instead, the conservative vote remains fragmented, allowing the lib media to portray crypto-RINO Romney as the "leader" - when he has only had a plurality. That in turn has convinced some conservatives who don't understand the game to grudgingly support Romney, resulting in a self-fulfilling lib media prediction. Meanwhile, if nothing changes, Paul, who can never be elected, will continue to be the loose cannon that results in a replay of 2008: the GOP nominates a RINO, and obama wins.
 
Oct 2011
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Does it mean we have to convert to Mormonism ...

Iowa is the name of the game right now as the Iowa caucuses are just around the corner. The past couple of weeks have seen ups and downs from a lot of the candidates. Right now it looks like it will end up being a close fight between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney for the top spot, although things can still change.

source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/31/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE7BT14220111231

Thoughts? Predictions?

If Romney is nominated and gets elected, only one language (English) and one religion (Mormonism) will be official. Only exception will be Judaism which is most followed religion of the world - 0.2% of world population).
 
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I am kind of surprised how far Huntsman is at the bottom.

Why? Conservatives have suffered through eight years of a RINO, three years of a leftwinger, and now you're surprised a "republican" liberal isn't doing well??
 

myp

Jan 2009
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The Santorum surge is interesting. I don't think it will turn into anything substantive though.
 

myp

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I am thinking he could very well wind up in the top three tomorrow in Iowa.

That is possible, but I meant that I don't think the surge will be amount to him being a top candidate in the overall race. Huckabee had also surged like this (although over a longer period of time) before Iowa where he ended up winning.
 
Dec 2011
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That is possible, but I meant that I don't think the surge will be amount to him being a top candidate in the overall race. Huckabee had also surged like this (although over a longer period of time) before Iowa where he ended up winning.

Absolutely. I expect Santorum to do well tomorrow, but I just do not see Republicans getting behind him.

Sadly, Willard looks like he will be the GOP nomination unless someone else can rise up.

We have seen everyone rise to or near the top of the polls for the GOP at one point except Bachmann, Huntsman and Santorum. And none of those candidates has a chance.
 

myp

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I think Romney is the favorite, but I was surprised last time when McCain somehow fought his way through. McCain and Gingrich's positions in their respective elections seem similar to me so I still wouldn't count him out even though I would not want him to win (not sure I want anyone to win though :p).
 
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I think the expectations for Presidents are often too high, so part of this might be because inherently the position can only accomplish so much. Inherent limits aside, some of these candidates are just awful anyway. Still deliberating, but I don't see many people running who actually understand the real major issues (things like cleaning up the tax code [and no a flat tax, is not a fair- it is regressive], doing something about the patent crisis that is developin.
 
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