Switzerland proposes tougher measures against right-to-die organizations

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Nobody, but that's not the question. A right to die does not require anyone else to end the life of a death-seeker.

How can you make sure that this "death-seeker" still hold his or hers wishes of being murdered in a situation when that person can't raise their opinion?
 
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Maybe we should change the wording a little in that murder involves grievious bodily harm against another. So committing grievious bodily harm against oneself, would be the same thing. How can we tell other people, or even our family, not to murder other people, and then do something like this to ourselves, without a very solid justification for it?

I have total compassion with someone who has gone so far down the road in illness, such as terminal cancer, that they would like an out. If there were not any legislation to assist the person, then I am almost certain there are many other ways to give the appearance of natural causes. It is not honest, but probably the most humane all round. I'm almost certain many doctors would assist in prescribing medication, and turn the other way when they know that the cancer patient has overmedicated, or used one medication with another with predictable results. I.e. morphine taken with certain heart medication can lead to heart failure. If it is done subtly, and the person is that sick, I can't see a doctor asking for an autopsy. The person would have died from natural causes. As long as the doctor is not asked to give advice in the matter of course.

I think it should be compulsory for all people to have a "living" will, indicating their preference, if they should loose their ability to make a choice whether to live or die when they are in comas, or giving authority to someone to do it on their behalf.
I was on a hospital floor with all cancer patients. My room was across the hall from a man dying of brain cancer. He screamed for almost 4 days. About 3AM they started closing all the doors on that floor. So me being who I am, peeped out. A doctor was standing in the door of the dying man. The nurse tells him,"I can't give him anymore. He is at 130% now". The doctor tells her, " My job is to write it, yours is to do it"." Either do it or go home."

The next morning the door was open and the bed was empty. No one asked and no one said where he was.
 
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How can you make sure that this "death-seeker" still hold his or hers wishes of being murdered in a situation when that person can't raise their opinion?
How can you be sure what anyone thinks or does not think when they are dying? You can't. But I think you need to go by their last "known" wishes. Not by your own opinion. You can let "what if" drive you to many strange places.
 
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I was on a hospital floor with all cancer patients. My room was across the hall from a man dying of brain cancer. He screamed for almost 4 days. About 3AM they started closing all the doors on that floor. So me being who I am, peeped out. A doctor was standing in the door of the dying man. The nurse tells him,"I can't give him anymore. He is at 130% now". The doctor tells her, " My job is to write it, yours is to do it"." Either do it or go home."

The next morning the door was open and the bed was empty. No one asked and no one said where he was.
Nice what the doctor did, but why 4 days and not within the first day? Sounds like utter torture. I was told by doctors at a Hospital that specializes in cancer that patients could completely count on being "pain-free" during their last stages of cancer. There are no limits on the medication. If that should ever happen to me, I hope I can count on that. As from what I have heard, in this day and age, there is no reason at all that anyone should feel pain. I heard the same story from an oral surgeon who specializes in jaw operations. He said that with modern medicine and skilled application of drugs there should be no need for feeling pain.
 
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Nice what the doctor did, but why 4 days and not within the first day? Sounds like utter torture. I was told by doctors at a Hospital that specializes in cancer that patients could completely count on being "pain-free" during their last stages of cancer. There are no limits on the medication. If that should ever happen to me, I hope I can count on that. As from what I have heard, in this day and age, there is no reason at all that anyone should feel pain. I heard the same story from an oral surgeon who specializes in jaw operations. He said that with modern medicine and skilled application of drugs there should be no need for feeling pain.
I can tell tell you in this area you will get to feel pain. Doctors around here have a fear of "big brother". Always some doctor being "investigated" about writing pain prescriptions. More likely to get some form of Tylenol. Seems the "investigators" don't know a lot about pain. One of my wife's doctors told us "you will not die from pain. Pain is in the mind". We don't go there anymore.:)

 
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I can tell tell you in this area you will get to feel pain. Doctors around here have a fear of "big brother". Always some doctor being "investigated" about writing pain prescriptions. More likely to get some form of Tylenol. Seems the "investigators" don't know a lot about pain. One of my wife's doctors told us "you will not die from pain. Pain is in the mind". We don't go there anymore.:)
Yet, you can get doctors like the one Michael Jackson had, and he must have had plenty of doctors breaking the law, before the last one cost him his life. There is so much of that going on. Or perhaps it is only for people who have lots of money and can afford doctors like that?
 
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Yet, you can get doctors like the one Michael Jackson had, and he must have had plenty of doctors breaking the law, before the last one cost him his life. There is so much of that going on. Or perhaps it is only for people who have lots of money and can afford doctors like that?
If you have the money you can get anything. I was was speaking on Fred and Linda type people that no one cares about because they don't have money.
 
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If you have the money you can get anything. I was was speaking on Fred and Linda type people that no one cares about because they don't have money.
That makes sense, as those who have money can probably make any arrangements they wish to make.
 
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How can you make sure that this "death-seeker" still hold his or hers wishes of being murdered in a situation when that person can't raise their opinion?

As a matter of pragmatism, I think the burden falls upon the death-seeker and his economic resources. There's a difference between suicidal euthanasia and getting caught in an accident.

On the flip side, it would be coercion to mandate that someone else takes care of someone who's unconscious. Actually, I would say that this is where life insurance should come into play such that in order to avoid a conflict of interests, the insurer should be willing to provide up to the value of the policy while an investigation is taking place. If a conviction takes place, then the insurer would have a claim for damages against whoever was convicted.
 
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