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Jan 2013
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I donated about 1200 this last year...and though I feel good about the causes of the charities, Organizations, and individuals I gave to, I know I will benefit as well in the next month which allows me to do so.


It may be the "Right" thing to do...but I am glad my country agrees....and rewards me.

I haven't itemized deductions in about 15 years, so there is no tax incentive for me, and in actual cash donations, I'd say I'm somewhere in the $1000 range. Add to that time and labor donations, and it's easily $5000 or more.

True charity seeks no recognition or return. I honestly believe that most people don't do it for monetary gain.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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True charity seeks no recognition or return. I honestly believe that most people don't do it for monetary gain.

But... if the deductions lead to more donations and the social benefit of those extra donations outweighs the cost (lost tax revenue), would you support them? That is the question. Morality has very little to do with it in my opinion. You can look down at people who donate to get tax deductions, but at the end of the day if it helps the needy and in turn, society, does it matter?
 
Jan 2013
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But... if the deductions lead to more donations and the social benefit of those extra donations outweighs the cost (lost tax revenue), would you support them? That is the question. Morality has very little to do with it in my opinion. You can look down at people who donate to get tax deductions, but at the end of the day if it helps the needy and in turn, society, does it matter?

I don't care what others do in that respect... and many are as I am, where there is no benefit financially. It's knowing you have done the right thing and helped others.

IMO, the government should not be in the business of incentives to do the right thing.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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IMO, the government should not be in the business of incentives to do the right thing.

Really? Isn't having murder being criminally illegal with criminal penalties in a sense the same thing? Those stiff penalties and jailtime are disincentives to murder.
 
Jan 2013
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Really? Isn't having murder being criminally illegal with criminal penalties in a sense the same thing? Those stiff penalties and jailtime are disincentives to murder.

If they were truly a disincentive, then we wouldn't be having the jail crowding issues we have, now would we? ;)

Jail and those penalties are punishment (time out), not a disincentive IMO. I am pro-death penalty.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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If they were truly a disincentive, then we wouldn't be having the jail crowding issues we have, now would we? ;)

Jail and those penalties are punishment (time out), not a disincentive IMO. I am pro-death penalty.

Everything happens at the margin. Those penalties undoubtedly push the margin towards less murder. If you don't think it is a disincentive, then what is the point of jailtime, etc.? You want to reduce utility by making someone suffer for no reason (and at the same time place living cost burdens for the prisoner [or in the case of the death penalty even more fees in state attorneys] on the taxpayer)? That seems cruel and unproductive. I see the purpose of jailtime as an aggregate utility boon because of the incentive effect. But we probably disagree there.

Where there is no room for disagreement though is that people respond to incentives. If government is setting policy anyway, they should always consider the incentives or you will get more unintended consequences.
 
Jan 2013
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Everything happens at the margin. Those penalties undoubtedly push the margin towards less murder. If you don't think it is a disincentive, then what is the point of jailtime, etc.? You want to reduce utility by making someone suffer for no reason (and at the same time place living cost burdens for the prisoner [or in the case of the death penalty even more fees in state attorneys] on the taxpayer)? That seems cruel and unproductive. I see the purpose of jailtime as an aggregate utility boon because of the incentive effect. But we probably disagree there.

Where there is no room for disagreement though is that people respond to incentives. If government is setting policy anyway, they should always consider the incentives or you will get more unintended consequences.
Since you brought the discussion to specifics, I would rather pay more and enact the death penalty on those who have taken the life of another human, than support them LIVING in a prison. That might serve as a deterent for some, but definitely not for all.

Most who would commit murder rarely stop and think of the penalties. Oh, I'm not going to stab you because I might end up in jail is not usually heard at the scene of a crime.

Back to the actual discussion at hand, tax related incentives.

Being that I'm not such a rare and unusual creature in that I don't itemize, what could be, in your opinion, the reason that people such as me give their time, labor and money to charitable causes?
 
Oct 2012
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To my understanding, most murders are not premeditated...thus incentive does not come into play. Obviously some are planned and carried out, which also indicates incentive is not working.

Either way...any incentive to not commit this crime is impotent.

I would prefer we ditch the whole "Incentive not to murder" game....and do what seems logical:

Trial
Conviction
walked to a room that day
Shot

Eye for an eye...and it is guaranteed this person will NEVER kill again.


Cost to the Public= $12.00 plus court costs

instead of hundreds of thousands over decades
 
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Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Well for one, there are almost undeniably certain fiscal multipliers. Second, we are in recovery.

I do not believe it.

There is high unemployment and we are not at normal NGDP growth. Austerity only makes those two things worse and in turn can make the debt worse too. I'm not sure why you insist on ignoring the time value of money and the relative changes in that time value as reflected by bond markets.
Would you max out all of your credit cards then those of your children and their children?

There is your answer. This is an immoral president and his supporters are also immoral.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
A Very Great Evil

A trap for what? Right now the recovery matters more than the debt. If you go to harsh austerity, you will hurt recovery, in turn hurting growth, and eventually making the debt worse too as tax revenues take a hit. Also, do you or do you not believe in monetary stability? Even if that is your primary goal, you need low rates right now given how low inflation has been (below the 2% target).
There cannot be a rebound and recovery while the government takes so much. It is a very great evil we have done to ourselves.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
No Recovery.

Well for one, there are almost undeniably certain fiscal multipliers. Second, we are in recovery. There is high unemployment and we are not at normal NGDP growth. Austerity only makes those two things worse and in turn can make the debt worse too. I'm not sure why you insist on ignoring the time value of money and the relative changes in that time value as reflected by bond markets.
We are not in a recovery. The GDP does not contract when we are in a recovery. We are in Obama's Great Recession/depression.

I ignore it because I have a high IQ.
 
Jan 2013
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Sanity is relative
To my understanding, most murders are not premeditated...thus incentive does not come into play. Obviously some are planned and carried out, which also indicates incentive is not working.

Either way...any incentive to not commit this crime is impotent.

I would prefer we ditch the whole "Incentive not to murder" game....and do what seems logical:

Trial
Conviction
walked to a room that day
Shot

Eye for an eye...and it is guaranteed this person will NEVER kill again.


Cost to the Public= $12.00 plus court costs

instead of hundreds of thousands over decades

Agree about 95%.

I'd give it a week or two before expending that bullet, for that margin of error.
 
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