Texas town allows Teacher to carry guns in school.

clax · Jan 7, 2013

David said:
A chore isn't slavery, picking crops at some farm 8 hrs a day, 7 days a week with no pay is. I'm not sure why you're fighting so hard to deny this...

Because I don't care. If they are out picking crops, I don't have to pay for their cable television. People who have committed crimes should not be benefits to my slave labor. The several hours I work a dry for free because my wealth is confiscated to buy them extravagant things.

Forced labor is forced labor. Because you call it a chore doesn't make it any less forced labor.

Squishy Skeever · Jan 7, 2013

I think they should carry AR's (for staff-office ready) and handguns for teachers (every single teacher)

misterveritis · Jan 7, 2013

myp said:
I was talking about slavery... Most people seemed to have got that, of course you didn't

Here is what you said, "it wasn't the government who quite literally enslaved an entire race once upon a time in American history"

No government has literally enslaved an entire race, have they? Even with a few million black slaves in the US it saw hardly the entire race. There were plenty more black people in Africa.

So Roosevelt enslaved nearly all Japanese who lived in the US during WWII. There were plenty more in Japan. Why wasn't imprisonment and forced labor of the Japanese Americans by the Democrat Roosevelt not slavery?

Were they not brown enough?

myp · Jan 7, 2013

misterveritis said:
Here is what you said, "it wasn't the government who quite literally enslaved an entire race once upon a time in American history"

No government has literally enslaved an entire race, have they? Even with a few million black slaves in the US it saw hardly the entire race. There were plenty more black people in Africa.

So Roosevelt enslaved nearly all Japanese who lived in the US during WWII. There were plenty more in Japan. Why wasn't imprisonment and forced labor of the Japanese Americans by the Democrat Roosevelt not slavery?

Were they not brown enough?

My point was to show that government is hardly the only form of coercion. You made the statement that the greatest threat to liberty is government action. I am saying, not always. During the time of slavery, one could easily have made the argument that white southerners were the greatest threat to liberty.

misterveritis · Jan 7, 2013

How should one respond to blatant lies?

David said:
Okay, a more blatant example then. Alabama cracked down on it's illegal population a while back taking them off the farms and construction sites they were working on. After confirming they were illegal they didn't deport them but rather sent them right back to work, this time for free, as per the 13th Amendment's allowance for convict slaves. Being a convict doesn't make anyone a slave but it does allow for said convict's enslavement if there is a labor shortage or they had the misfortune of getting a pro-slavery judge during sentencing.

You are incorrect.

Over half of the illegals self deported. They went to Tennessee, Georgia and Mississippi. As far as your slavery comment, well, you just might be a kook. I live here. I have never heard of convicts being used on construction sites. Or farms either for that matter. Not that it could not happen. We have had several discussions in the last several years about ways to reduce the cost of keeping a prisoner. I see nothing wrong in tying prison time to labor on a farm.

misterveritis · Jan 7, 2013

myp said:
My point was to show that government is hardly the only form of coercion. You made the statement that the greatest threat to liberty is government action. I am saying, not always. During the time of slavery, one could easily have made the argument that white southerners were the greatest threat to liberty.

Throughout the last two centuries or so government's trampling on their citizens has been the norm. Even including slavery in the south governments by far have the worst record.

tecoyah · Jan 7, 2013

The United States Government di not create slavery in this country....but it DID allow it.

The People enslaved other people....as they do virtually everywhere.

misterveritis · Jan 7, 2013

tecoyah said:
The United States Government di not create slavery in this country....but it DID allow it.

The People enslaved other people....as they do virtually everywhere.

Splitting hairs, are we?

tecoyah · Jan 7, 2013

...nope...pointing out reality.

May seem unfamiliar, but there it is.

clax · Jan 8, 2013

misterveritis said:
Splitting hairs, are we?

It really isn't splitting hairs, slavery was never sanctioned by the federal government, it was simply tolerated.

big difference

misterveritis · Jan 11, 2013

clax said:
It really isn't splitting hairs, slavery was never sanctioned by the federal government, it was simply tolerated.

big difference

Of course it was sanctioned. It took government actions to end it.

clax · Jan 11, 2013

misterveritis said:
Of course it was sanctioned. It took government actions to end it.

So by doing nothing to stop it they sanctioned it? No, they did not make a law against it until after the civil war

misterveritis · Jan 11, 2013

clax said:
So by doing nothing to stop it they sanctioned it? No, they did not make a law against it until after the civil war

Sanctioned. Recognized. Three-fifths of a person...

The North could not stop it so they accommodated until slavery could be overturned. We may not be that far apart.

clax · Jan 11, 2013

misterveritis said:
Sanctioned. Recognized. Three-fifths of a person...

The North could not stop it so they accommodated until slavery could be overturned. We may not be that far apart.

So they couldn't stop it, that is the same as sanctioning it? I am pretty sure a lot of people disagreed with it, it was only allowed because they couldn't stop it.

misterveritis · Jan 12, 2013

clax said:
So they couldn't stop it, that is the same as sanctioning it? I am pretty sure a lot of people disagreed with it, it was only allowed because they couldn't stop it.

It was made part of the constitution. That is sanctioning it. but the also could not stop it. We are not that far apart. You win.

Texas town allows Teacher to carry guns in school.

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