The caveman

David · Aug 18, 2012

Giap said:
I think Navy seals are over estimated in their skills and that is probably more to do with daft Hollywood films building them up as some kind of super human when they clearly are not. I would have to say that I would expect a cave man to be much stronger than a modern day man.

Seeing as Humans lived out in the open or under the cover of trees (depending on where they lived) until H. Sapiens came along, I don't see how that's possible. What I'm trying to say is cavemen and modern humans are 1 and the same, it's a difference in tech.

Giap · Aug 19, 2012

David said:
Seeing as Humans lived out in the open or under the cover of trees (depending on where they lived) until H. Sapiens came along, I don't see how that's possible. What I'm trying to say is cavemen and modern humans are 1 and the same, it's a difference in tech.

You think what is not possible? I would say that cavemen had a more physically demanding life than modern man and thus would be stronger than them,I would also say that people from 150 years ago would be physically stronger than their modern counter parts thru sheer hard work.

David · Aug 19, 2012

Giap said:
You think what is not possible? I would say that cavemen had a more physically demanding life than modern man and thus would be stronger than them,I would also say that people from 150 years ago would be physically stronger than their modern counter parts thru sheer hard work.

150 years ago we had mas transportation, electricity, an instant worldwide communications network, trains, ships with engines, cameras, etc. In short the start of our technological civilization, how much harder do you think they actually had it?

Giap · Aug 19, 2012

David said:
150 years ago we had mas transportation, electricity, an instant worldwide communications network, trains, ships with engines, cameras, etc. In short the start of our technological civilization, how much harder do you think they actually had it?

150 years ago we did not have electricity,it was not introduced until the 1880's so you are wrong there.The first central station providing public power is believed to be one at Godalming, Surrey, U.K. autumn 1881.The first large scale central power station was Edison's Pearl Street Station in New York, which began operating in September, 1882. People in general worked hard physical jobs either in factories or down mines,they worked very long hours for little pay. If you believe that people today work harder than their ancestors then I can only come to the conclusion that you know nothing about work in the past.Most people today spend most of their day sat on their ass tapping on a computer keyboard,if you put them down mine digging out coal they would probably pass out after 45 minutes,that if they were not killed first by a cave in or gas explosion.

David · Aug 19, 2012

Giap said:
150 years ago we did not have electricity,it was not introduced until the 1880's so you are wrong there.The first central station providing public power is believed to be one at Godalming, Surrey, U.K. autumn 1881.The first large scale central power station was Edison's Pearl Street Station in New York, which began operating in September, 1882. People in general worked hard physical jobs either in factories or down mines,they worked very long hours for little pay. If you believe that people today work harder than their ancestors then I can only come to the conclusion that you know nothing about work in the past.Most people today spend most of their day sat on their ass tapping on a computer keyboard,if you put them down mine digging out coal they would probably pass out after 45 minutes,that if they were not killed first by a cave in or gas explosion.

Electric telegraphs have been in use since 1837. The 1st electric motor was built in the 1820s. As I said before, it was only the start of our modern civilization. My point was life, while less convenient, wasn't fundamentally different then it is today. People still work in factories and mines after all and in greater numbers then they did 150 years ago (when most people farmed).

Giap · Aug 19, 2012

David said:
Electric telegraphs have been in use since 1837. The 1st electric motor was built in the 1820s. As I said before, it was only the start of our modern civilization. My point was life, while less convenient, wasn't fundamentally different then it is today. People still work in factories and mines after all and in greater numbers then they did 150 years ago (when most people farmed).

Ok I am going with you have not really got a clue about history.Electricity as I have already explained to you was not in everyday use until after the 1860's,as I have proven. Why don't you tell us how many people work in mines in the western world? I think you will find it is much less than 150 years ago because of advancements in technology,as in they do the work with machines now but used to do it by hand back in the 1800's which obviously made it physically harder,same with factories.If you are going to come up with crap arguments that go nowhere then I will just be ignoring you.It is an absolute fact that people worked more physically demanding jobs back in the 1800's.

David · Aug 19, 2012

Giap said:
Ok I am going with you have not really got a clue about history.Electricity as I have already explained to you was not in everyday use until after the 1860's,as I have proven. Why don't you tell us how many people work in mines in the western world? I think you will find it is much less than 150 years ago because of advancements in technology,as in they do the work with machines now but used to do it by hand back in the 1800's which obviously made it physically harder,same with factories.If you are going to come up with crap arguments that go nowhere then I will just be ignoring you.It is an absolute fact that people worked more physically demanding jobs back in the 1800's.

I never said otherwise, I said the everyday lives of people was fundamentally the same as today. You're acting like people were lucky to live to 30 or something, it wasn't the middle ages. And by %, more people work in factories and mines then they did 150 years ago when the majority of people were farmers and ranchers.

Giap · Aug 20, 2012

David said:
I never said otherwise, I said the everyday lives of people was fundamentally the same as today. You're acting like people were lucky to live to 30 or something, it wasn't the middle ages. And by %, more people work in factories and mines then they did 150 years ago when the majority of people were farmers and ranchers.

Good then I was correct as I knew I was. I would point out that most people did not work on farms and ranches in the 1860's as there were no ranches in the whole of Europe and being as the population of Europe was many more than the USA you would be incorrect in your assumption. The 1860's was the height of the Industrial revolution,not where you come from obviously as you lot lagged behind somewhat until later in that century.By percentage I can say that more people worked in mines 150 years ago that do today,it is very simple to follow,everything was done by hand back then so more people,factories the same. You go into a modern factory and they employ much less people than the factories of the past,that is a fact. You go look at some pictures of a modern factory in the west and then look at an old picture of the factory floor in the 1860's,you will see loads of people in the 1860's picture and hardly anyone in the modern one because everything is virtually automated now

David · Aug 20, 2012

Giap said:
Good then I was correct as I knew I was. I would point out that most people did not work on farms and ranches in the 1860's as there were no ranches in the whole of Europe and being as the population of Europe was many more than the USA you would be incorrect in your assumption. The 1860's was the height of the Industrial revolution,not where you come from obviously as you lot lagged behind somewhat until later in that century.By percentage I can say that more people worked in mines 150 years ago that do today,it is very simple to follow,everything was done by hand back then so more people,factories the same. You go into a modern factory and they employ much less people than the factories of the past,that is a fact. You go look at some pictures of a modern factory in the west and then look at an old picture of the factory floor in the 1860's,you will see loads of people in the 1860's picture and hardly anyone in the modern one because everything is virtually automated now

Okay, I see the issue here. You're Euro-centric, I'm America-centric and we're arguing different points.

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