The Trillion Dollar Coin?

Dec 2012
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This coin another gimmick, what we've come to expect from this Administration. Clearly the most inept in American history. By far.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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This coin another gimmick, what we've come to expect from this Administration. Clearly the most inept in American history. By far.

The administration did not propose or talk about it... In fact the Treasury ruled it out after people started talking about it...
 
Dec 2012
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Absurd Stances

Well I apologize for saying you were wrong on saying those discussions were taking place seriously. But in their defense they view it as an absurd solution to an absurd political stance that the GOP is currently taking.
Would you define the absurd political stance the Republicans have taken?
 
Dec 2012
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Threatening to make it so the country defaults now so that we can cut spending to avoid the country defaulting later.
Do you believe the country will default because the president says so?

WE cut current spending so we only spend what we take in. It is the perfect brake on an out of control regime. I like it.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Do you believe the country will default because the president says so?

WE cut current spending so we only spend what we take in. It is the perfect brake on an out of control regime. I like it.

We have debt obligations right now. The President doesn't need to tell me that we will default- if we don't pass the debt ceiling, we will. You can't cut that much spending in that little time politically nor would you want to during a weak recovery.
 
Jan 2013
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Treasury is not interested at this moment. Who knows what Lew will do. We need to get rid of the debt ceiling rule. Then get disciplined with spending.
 
Dec 2012
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We have debt obligations right now. The President doesn't need to tell me that we will default- if we don't pass the debt ceiling, we will. You can't cut that much spending in that little time politically nor would you want to during a weak recovery.

Why do you believe such a thing. We are in no danger of defaulting. We are in great danger of breaking the nation. You are being lied to. What I do not understand is why you are so willingly gullible.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Why do you believe such a thing. We are in no danger of defaulting. We are in great danger of breaking the nation. You are being lied to. What I do not understand is why you are so willingly gullible.

Actually you are the one that is either being lied to or misunderstanding what is happening. The debt ceiling means the Treasury can't issue more debt when we hit that ceiling. If the treasury can't issue debt, it can't pay the bills. There might be some short-term measures like borrowing from other funds to get around that, but pretty soon legally they can't sell debt and we can't pay the bills. There is no "spin" to this.
 
Dec 2012
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Actually you are the one that is either being lied to or misunderstanding what is happening. The debt ceiling means the Treasury can't issue more debt when we hit that ceiling. If the treasury can't issue debt, it can't pay the bills. There might be some short-term measures like borrowing from other funds to get around that, but pretty soon legally they can't sell debt and we can't pay the bills. There is no "spin" to this.
Of course it can pay the bills. WE stop spending money we don't have. We can service the debt just fine. We cannot continue to have the president of Candyland give gifts to everyone.

It is you who do not understand.

The House needs to stand firm. One way to deal with it is to roll back regulations recently published. I like the idea of rolling back one year's worth of regulations for every trillion in debt ceiling increase. We should also insist in a 5% decrease in corporate tax rates for every trillion in debt ceiling increase.
 

myp

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It isn't politically possible to cut that much spending. Go ask the GOP to cut defense- no. Go ask the Democrats to cut entitlements- no. If you think it is as simple as you make it out to be, you are ignoring the reality of the do-nothing Congress.

Also, austerity is the last thing we want right now given how it worked out for countries like Greece. We are in recovery. Are you forgetting that? Expectations matter.
 
Dec 2012
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Great Expectations?

It isn't politically possible to cut that much spending. Go ask the GOP to cut defense- no. Go ask the Democrats to cut entitlements- no. If you think it is as simple as you make it out to be, you are ignoring the reality of the do-nothing Congress.

Also, austerity is the last thing we want right now given how it worked out for countries like Greece. We are in recovery. Are you forgetting that? Expectations matter.

I offered up rolling back the regulations. One year's worth for every trillion dollars in debt ceiling increase.

We are not in recovery. We are in a coma.
 
Dec 2012
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What regulations are you referring to?
All of them, of course. We are near the 90,000 mark. We are adding regulations at the rate of about 400 new ones per month.

That doesn't mean anything...
It means a great deal. We are spinning our wheels. We are stuck in the mud. We have way too many people who are takers. We need to unload them.
 

myp

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All of them, of course. We are near the 90,000 mark. We are adding regulations at the rate of about 400 new ones per month.

Also doesn't mean anything. Being pro or anti-regulation should not be a "thing"- look at the data in each case.

It means a great deal. We are spinning our wheels. We are stuck in the mud. We have way too many people who are takers. We need to unload them.
Rightttt- we are stuck partly because we have an expectations problem- let's embrace further easing by the Fed and maybe some infrastructure spending on the hill, possibly coupled with longer term, smart spending cuts. Oh and let's abolish this debt ceiling nonsense.
 
Jun 2012
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Massive inflation and the collapse of the dollar and with it the world's economy.

I doubt that if that happened it would give the powers to be to try and push harder for a united currency. Which has been on the agenda for years. So you maybe right in what you say. Though it would be just what was need to implement or at least come a step closer to a one world currency.
 
Oct 2012
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I doubt that if that happened it would give the powers to be to try and push harder for a united currency. Which has been on the agenda for years. So you maybe right in what you say. Though it would be just what was need to implement or at least come a step closer to a one world currency.

Tell that to the E.U.
 
Jul 2009
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Tell that to the E.U.

The EU suffers from the lack of a national identity and a fear of non-whites. Kicking the neo-Nazis out of Parliament and establishing a (democratic) constitution so everyone actually knows what the EU is supposed to be about will solve most of their political issues. Political stability will herald economic recovery.
 
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