US Missile Defense System in Gulf - war brewing with Iran?

GOP · Feb 10, 2010

Obama finally realizes that the Republican policy on Iran - is the best policy!

The president sounded not unlike his predecessor George W Bush, who worked for years to contain Iran, a sign that Mr Obama's policy to engage with the Islamic Republic has failed.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8509607.stm

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2010

GOP said:
Obama finally realizes that the Republican policy on Iran - is the best policy!

The president sounded not unlike his predecessor George W Bush, who worked for years to contain Iran, a sign that Mr Obama's policy to engage with the Islamic Republic has failed.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8509607.stm

Maybe he was just a little slow on the uptake.

deanhills · Feb 11, 2010

GOP said:
Obama finally realizes that the Republican policy on Iran - is the best policy!

The president sounded not unlike his predecessor George W Bush, who worked for years to contain Iran, a sign that Mr Obama's policy to engage with the Islamic Republic has failed.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8509607.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8509607.stm

Very interesting article, thanks for sharing it GOP. I wonder whether Russia and China would be supporting the sanctions? Would be interesting to see where they would stand in this, especially given their opposition when something similar had been brewing with North Korea.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2010

deanhills said:
Very interesting article, thanks for sharing it GOP. I wonder whether Russia and China would be supporting the sanctions? Would be interesting to see where they would stand in this, especially given their opposition when something similar had been brewing with North Korea.

I don't think either of those countries want to help us in any way. I really don't trust Vladimir Putin. He seems very hateful and sneaky to me.:unsure:

deanhills · Feb 11, 2010

DodgeFB said:
I don't think either of those countries want to help us in any way. I really don't trust Vladimir Putin. He seems very hateful and sneaky to me.:unsure:

I agree with you 100%. Going down history lane, Russians have always been unpredictable and very difficult to guage. Think Hillary got her first lesson in Switzerland last year, when she thought she could persuade the Russians to support sanctions against North Korea. I'm almost certain she thought she had it in the bag, otherwise she would never have approached them directly, and then they played a surprise number on her.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2010

deanhills said:
I agree with you 100%. Going down history lane, Russians have always been unpredictable and very difficult to guage. Think Hillary got her first lesson in Switzerland last year, when she thought she could persuade the Russians to support sanctions against North Korea. I'm almost certain she thought she had it in the bag, otherwise she would never have approached them directly, and then they played a surprise number on her.

Some of those people have very little respect (yes that) for the US. And even less respect for women. She is little more than a nuisance to them.

deanhills · Feb 11, 2010

DodgeFB said:
Some of those people have very little respect (yes that) for the US. And even less respect for women. She is little more than a nuisance to them.

You know Dodge, I don't see Hillary as a woman, she is too much of a man for that, politically speaking. Ditto Maggie Thatcher. As far as I can remember the Russians had a health dose of respect for Maggie Thatcher too. I would never dream to equate Maggie Thatcher and Hillary Clinton, as Maggie in my mind was the more savvy and stronger of the two. I do agree however that the Russians have a very thick skin and for them what motivates them is the game itself with maximum advantage for them regardless of whom they are dealing with. For Maggie to have got anything from them, she would have had to bring something really negotiable to the table and of more value than what the Russians would have given away.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2010

deanhills said:
You know Dodge, I don't see Hillary as a woman, she is too much of a man for that. Ditto Maggie Thatcher. As far as I can remember the Russians had a health dose of respect for Maggie Thatcher too. I would never dream to equate Maggie Thatcher and Hillary Clinton, as Maggie in my mind was the more savvy and stronger of the two. I do agree however that the Russians have a very thick skin and for them what motivates them is the game itself with maximum advantage for them.

Wow! I am an old Republican and I still see Hillary as a woman.

Don't get me wrong. I like Hillary. But she is now a "spokesperson" for Obama. I don't see her as being another Thatcher. And I think Thatcher was a one of the kind that I really miss in this world of leaders and followers.

deanhills · Feb 11, 2010

DodgeFB said:
But she is now a "spokesperson" for Obama.

Right! And Obama seemed to have taken some of it away from her as well from time to time, like his Olympics crusade at one stage. Was probably not such a good idea to have accepted his offer of Secretary of State, as it turned out to be very different from what must have been expected, i.e. Secretary of State without any substance or power.

What I meant by saying Hillary was a man, politically, was no reference to her person, but her abilities as a politician. I.e. there is some steel in her, but as you pointed out, she was made into an Obama spokes person. Wonder whether she will be standing for President again one day?

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2010

deanhills said:
Right! And Obama seemed to have taken some of it away from her as well from time to time, like his Olympics crusade at one stage. Was probably not such a good idea to have accepted his offer of Secretary of State, as it turned out to be very different from what must have been expected, i.e. Secretary of State without any substance or power.

What I meant by saying Hillary was a man, politically, was no reference to her person, but her abilities as a politician. I.e. there is some steel in her, but as you pointed out, she was made into an Obama spokes person. Wonder whether she will be standing for President again one day?

I don't know. But I think she damaged her chances by signing up to do Obama's bidding. I know what they are saying, but I don't think Obama showing up for anything impresses anyone but Obama and his supporters. He certainly is not impressing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad .

deanhills · Feb 11, 2010

DodgeFB said:
He certainly is not impressing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad .

Definitely not. I can just imagine Mahmoud starting his day with plenty of Obama jokes.

GOP · Feb 11, 2010

deanhills said:
Very interesting article, thanks for sharing it GOP. I wonder whether Russia and China would be supporting the sanctions? Would be interesting to see where they would stand in this, especially given their opposition when something similar had been brewing with North Korea.

Hardly. Russia is so double standard. They officially supported Israel (verbally), but physically through weapon supplies they support Iran. You can never trust them. And the Chinese will probably do anything at the moment to stop The US getting more power.

David · Feb 11, 2010

GOP said:
Hardly. Russia is so double standard. They officially supported Israel (verbally), but physically through weapon supplies they support Iran. You can never trust them. And the Chinese will probably do anything at the moment to stop The US getting more power.

True. Did you know Moscow said they said they seriously consider them if Tehran asked about joining the CIS?

GOP · Feb 11, 2010

David said:
True. Did you know Moscow said they said they seriously consider them if Tehran asked about joining the CIS?

I didn't know that. But I am surprised! I was under the impression that there were only older Soviet countries in the CIS?

David · Feb 12, 2010

GOP said:
I didn't know that. But I am surprised! I was under the impression that there were only older Soviet countries in the CIS?

Yes, the CIS is what's left of the USSR but Iran would do 2 things for them, give them access to the Gulf and put them in the sweet spot in the Mideast.

Did you know about the Union-State?

deanhills · Feb 12, 2010

David said:
True. Did you know Moscow said they said they seriously consider them if Tehran asked about joining the CIS?

Are you sure it was the CIS? I thought it was the CSTO, which is an organisation that would assist the UN with peace keeping forces? CIS is almost history as they have joined up with the EU Eastern Partnership?

GOP · Feb 12, 2010

David said:
Yes, the CIS is what's left of the USSR but Iran would do 2 things for them, give them access to the Gulf and put them in the sweet spot in the Mideast.

Well I am sure they have a "great" dialogue, but that it was an official part of the CIS was rather weird to hear.

David said:
Did you know about the Union-State?

The Union State of Russia and Belarus?

David · Feb 13, 2010

GOP said:
Well I am sure they have a "great" dialogue, but that it was an official part of the CIS was rather weird to hear.

The Union State of Russia and Belarus?

For now, yes. It's about to expand big time however, most of the Breakaway Republics have expressed interest in joining. We could see the restoration of the USSR (under the name Union-State) within a decade.

GOP · Feb 13, 2010

David said:
For now, yes. It's about to expand big time however, most of the Breakaway Republics have expressed interest in joining. We could see the restoration of the USSR (under the name Union-State) within a decade.

Which countries have showed interest in this?

David · Feb 13, 2010

GOP said:
Which countries have showed interest in this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State#Contemplated_expansion

Abkhazia - Is considering joining and it's annexation is supported by the Union-State. It already enjoys observer status in Parliament.

Kazakhstan - Has asked to create a customs union with full integration at a later date.

Kyrgyzstan - The opposition is actively drumming up popular support for annexation.

Moldova - Currently split between the Union-State and EU. No choice has been made yet.

South Ossetia - Is considering joining and it's annexation is supported by the Union-State. It already enjoys observer status in Parliament.

Transnistria - In a referendum in 2006, 97.2 % voted to join the RF. Pundits see this as an imminent decision to unilaterally demand annexation. It's acceptance is in doubt as it lacks the support of the Union-state.

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