US talks with the taliban!

afghan · Jan 4, 2012

Hi everyone! hope all might be fine....

To start with, only death has seen the end of war- Aristotle

What you guys think about the talking between US and Talibans?

why didn't US not hear to taliban when were they attacking afghanistan?
Why now they are prepared to talk?
Will US forces will leave afghanistan? Or they might make bases there?

and there are many questions which might be going through the minds of many people, lets come and solve it....

i might gave you answers from afghan's perspective and in return will know american or international perspective too!

DodgeFB · Jan 4, 2012

afghan said:
Hi everyone! hope all might be fine....

To start with, only death has seen the end of war- Aristotle

What you guys think about the talking between US and Talibans?

why didn't US not hear to taliban when were they attacking afghanistan?
Why now they are prepared to talk?
Will US forces will leave afghanistan? Or they might make bases there?

and there are many questions which might be going through the minds of many people, lets come and solve it....

i might gave you answers from afghan's perspective and in return will know american or international perspective too!

Much of what will happen will be decided after elections. Right now it looks like many here just want to cut and run.

I also think you need a change in leadership. I know we want to work with Hamid Karzai. But he seems to be playing against the US at times. I for one don't trust him. But I also don't trust our government either.:unsure:

David · Jan 4, 2012

Talk? We used to be their #1 sponsor. We only stopped paying them after they refused to hand over OBL.

Romney2012 · Jan 4, 2012

David said:
Talk? We used to be their #1 sponsor. We only stopped paying them after they refused to hand over OBL.

You skipped over a lot of facts there. Let's not pretend the current Taliban is anything but a illogical and ruthless enemy.

David · Jan 4, 2012

Romney2012 said:
You skipped over a lot of facts there. Let's not pretend the current Taliban is anything but a illogical and ruthless enemy.

And they were the champions of logic and civilization in '01?

Romney2012 · Jan 4, 2012

David said:
And they were the champions of logic and civilization in '01?

What are you trying to ask?

David · Jan 4, 2012

Romney2012 said:
What are you trying to ask?

What did you mean?

Romney2012 · Jan 4, 2012

David said:
What did you mean?

That your original comment served no purpose.

David · Jan 4, 2012

Romney2012 said:
That your original comment served no purpose.

How does pointing out we funded the Taliban in a discussion about our engaging the Taliban diplomatically serve no purpose? You're saying diplomacy with the Taliban is irrelevant to a discussion about diplomacy with the Taliban. :giggle:

skeptic-f · Jan 4, 2012

Not actually correct

David said:
How does pointing out we funded the Taliban in a discussion about our engaging the Taliban diplomatically serve no purpose? You're saying diplomacy with the Taliban is irrelevant to a discussion about diplomacy with the Taliban. :giggle:

David is misinformed when he states that the United States funded the Taliban. There is one of two possible mistakes he is making.

1. He is confusing the Taliban with the Mujahideen who we supported against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Taliban actually was started several years (two or three, depending on what you take as its starting point) AFTER the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan as a reaction to the feuding armies of the various warlords that were reducing Afghanistan to chaos.

2. He is confusing our support of Pakistan (which I personally think has been and is extremely counter-productive) and particularly money supplied to the ISI (Pakistan's top intelligence agency and the ones who basically created the Taliban) who in turned sent some in the direction of the Taliban because they liked the idea of a Pakistani proxy controlling Afghanistan.

David should perhaps review his history more carefully before making such incorrect statements. Of course, he could be referring to the several private supply contractors who supposedly paid under-the-table money to the Taliban to avoid having their convoys and operations attacked.

Fascist Canuck · Jan 4, 2012

skeptic-f said:
David is misinformed when he states that the United States funded the Taliban. There is one of two possible mistakes he is making.

1. He is confusing the Taliban with the Mujahideen who we supported against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Taliban actually was started several years (two or three, depending on what you take as its starting point) AFTER the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan as a reaction to the feuding armies of the various warlords that were reducing Afghanistan to chaos.

2. He is confusing our support of Pakistan (which I personally think has been and is extremely counter-productive) and particularly money supplied to the ISI (Pakistan's top intelligence agency and the ones who basically created the Taliban) who in turned sent some in the direction of the Taliban because they liked the idea of a Pakistani proxy controlling Afghanistan.

David should perhaps review his history more carefully before making such incorrect statements. Of course, he could be referring to the several private supply contractors who supposedly paid under-the-table money to the Taliban to avoid having their convoys and operations attacked.

Uh, the Mujahadeen ARE the Taliban.

The Soviets never invaded Afghanistan. They were INVITED by the ruling communist party to help them defeat the mujahadeen (today's Taliban). That's like saying you INVADED England during WWII.

Where are you people finding these dumb****s?

DodgeFB · Jan 4, 2012

Fascist Canuck said:
Where are you people finding these dumb****s?

That's what I was wondering. Where did myp find you anyway?:unsure:

Patrick · Jan 4, 2012

Uncle Patrick's clue for the retarded:

The issue isn't the taliban, it's al qaeda.

afghan · Jan 5, 2012

Well, as from your posts:
1- you people still consider Talibans as your enemies!
2- you people believed Russians never attacked afghanistan!

1- For your information! taliban didn't attacked USA and they didn't had a role in 9/11!
technologically, financially, technically and diplomatically they were too weak to do such operation! and No afghan was had a little hand in that incident!
They did one thing that USA considers to enlist them in their top enemies was to not hand over OBL!
We afghans have traditions, we would not let our enemy if he came to us!
But taliban due to that incident was prepared to gave OSAMA to another islamic country, where under islamic law his trial would be done!

But Americans didn't listend and attacked, Bombed with phosphorous! and killed more than 1 lack peoples.... So for us they are Freedom fighters irrespective of their ideology and thinking!

2- we didn't invited Russians, the communist party was the agents of KGB they martyred our president dawood khan with all his family and then started to do their own rule....
( it was just a fascist-communist govt not peoples govt!)
when hafizullah amin refused that russians should enter afghanistan they killed him and then they were here with their bloody ideology and machine guns while the heads of afghans were threshled!

DodgeFB · Jan 5, 2012

afghan said:
Well, as from your posts:
1- you people still consider Talibans as your enemies!
2- you people believed Russians never attacked afghanistan!

1- For your information! taliban didn't attacked USA and they didn't had a role in 9/11!
technologically, financially, technically and diplomatically they were too weak to do such operation! and No afghan was had a little hand in that incident!
They did one thing that USA considers to enlist them in their top enemies was to not hand over OBL!
We afghans have traditions, we would not let our enemy if he came to us!
But taliban due to that incident was prepared to gave OSAMA to another islamic country, where under islamic law his trial would be done!

But Americans didn't listend and attacked, Bombed with phosphorous! and killed more than 1 lack peoples.... So for us they are Freedom fighters irrespective of their ideology and thinking!

2- we didn't invited Russians, the communist party was the agents of KGB they martyred our president dawood khan with all his family and then started to do their own rule....
( it was just a fascist-communist govt not peoples govt!)
when hafizullah amin refused that russians should enter afghanistan they killed him and then they were here with their bloody ideology and machine guns while the heads of afghans were threshled!

Honestly anyone that is into beheading, blinding, and amputating as punishment would be considered my enemy. It would make no difference who they were or where they came from. And why would the US consider "Talibans" a friend? They don't seem to even be friends of the people of Afghanistan.

We have "traditions" too. And that is to go after our enemies wherever they may be or how long it may take. And if someone tries to shield them they are our enemies too.

Patrick · Jan 5, 2012

afghan said:
Well, as from your posts:
1- you people still consider Talibans as your enemies!
2- you people believed Russians never attacked afghanistan!

1- For your information! taliban didn't attacked USA and they didn't had a role in 9/11!

The taliban's role in 9-11 is that they gave al qaeda a base of operations in afghanistan.

David · Jan 5, 2012

skeptic-f said:
David is misinformed when he states that the United States funded the Taliban. There is one of two possible mistakes he is making.

1. He is confusing the Taliban with the Mujahideen who we supported against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Taliban actually was started several years (two or three, depending on what you take as its starting point) AFTER the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan as a reaction to the feuding armies of the various warlords that were reducing Afghanistan to chaos.

2. He is confusing our support of Pakistan (which I personally think has been and is extremely counter-productive) and particularly money supplied to the ISI (Pakistan's top intelligence agency and the ones who basically created the Taliban) who in turned sent some in the direction of the Taliban because they liked the idea of a Pakistani proxy controlling Afghanistan.

David should perhaps review his history more carefully before making such incorrect statements. Of course, he could be referring to the several private supply contractors who supposedly paid under-the-table money to the Taliban to avoid having their convoys and operations attacked.

Uh, no. We gave them $43 mil in May, 2001 (our last payment). We were quietly allied with the Taliban for their help in the Drug War until they refused to hand over OBL.

afghan · Jan 6, 2012

Patrick said:
The taliban's role in 9-11 is that they gave al qaeda a base of operations in afghanistan.

Go and read rahim ullah yousufzai's articles, he is journalist which twice interviewed mullah omar, he says:
that mullah omar told me that i told osama you are just as a guest, be here but don't do your operations from here, and when america was attacked i talked with OBL that you had a hand in this operation? he said no!

that's why taliban didn't hand over OBL directly to America! but said we would deliever him to Saudi araiba or other country but not to america!

Still we don't know who had hand in 9/11!!!!!
there are many conspiracy theories and that's why i don''t believe that OBL would be having hand in those attacks.....

afghan · Jan 6, 2012

DodgeFB said:
Honestly anyone that is into beheading, blinding, and amputating as punishment would be considered my enemy. It would make no difference who they were or where they came from. And why would the US consider "Talibans" a friend? They don't seem to even be friends of the people of Afghanistan.

We have "traditions" too. And that is to go after our enemies wherever they may be or how long it may take. And if someone tries to shield them they are our enemies too.

So you are accepting that you are the neo-imperialists!!!
and if others had the same tradition too (as you told above) you called them terrorists but whenever you do as you have done you never called yourselves terrorists!!!

We want our freedom! independence and want USA to go from our country....
well then there is our choice who we select to be the ruling party of our country.....

David · Jan 6, 2012

You should of handed over OBL then. If you can't play with the big boys, don't. You did and got crushed, not our fault you're gov't was filled with idiots.

US talks with the taliban!

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