Venezuela- Serious threat to freedom of speech

GOP

Feb 2010
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The community isn't the gov't.

Through history what has been the community in socialist countries? The government. The community is just a "prettier" word, but the community needs a "controller", and that would be the state.
 
Jul 2009
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Through history what has been the community in socialist countries? The government. The community is just a "prettier" word, but the community needs a "controller", and that would be the state.

The people are the state, not the gov't. The community are the people. Also, lol at using a dictionary to define a complex political/social/economic view.
 
Jan 2010
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Would you renew the license of a station that supported a coup against you? I personally draw the freedom of speech line at high treason myself.

If he wanted to refuse the renewal for that he should have done it in 2002, when blacking out coverage of the counter coup would have been the only legal grounds for doing so. His reason instead was their refusal to air his marathon speeches, and no full explanation for the license matter was ever given.

The blackout may well have been an infringement on free speech itself, the call for protests, free commercial air time for the anti-chavez movement, and fawning of coverage from its leaders is biased programming, but it's far the level of treason you're suggesting. If our govenment followed that logic talk radio here in the US, and Fox News would be done pretty quickly.
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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The people are the state, not the gov't.

So Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao are of the people? I have a really hard time seeing that. The fact remains also that in the countries where this socialist system has been tried, the people have always wounded up with no rights, and all the rights are given to the government. So how can you say that it is the opposite way around?

The community are the people. Also, lol at using a dictionary to define a complex political/social/economic view.

The community are always the people, but it needs to be controlled or run by someone, and that would be the government, and when all the power is transferred to the community, who is in charge of the communities? The state, and what will in the end get all this power? THE STATE!
 
Apr 2009
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The traditional definition of socialism is worker control of the means of production.
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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Yes. Why do you find this so hard to believe?

Because if that is the case, it's not a socialist run system where private persons can finance their own way. That's looked upon by socialists as a capitalist system.
 
Jul 2009
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Because if that is the case, it's not a socialist run system where private persons can finance their own way. That's looked upon by socialists as a capitalist system.

You realize that the operation of a private business was a constitutional right in the Soviet Union, yes? It's getting rich for no other reason then manipulating money, oppressing the working class, rising by stepping on the backs of others and working for nothing but capital profit rather then the profit of a better society that we socialist have a problem with. Capitalism itself isn't the issue, it's needed for socialism to work.
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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You realize that the operation of a private business was a constitutional right in the Soviet Union, yes?

You also realize that Stalin murdered farmers who didn't want to give their land to the state?

It's getting rich for no other reason then manipulating money, oppressing the working class, rising by stepping on the backs of others and working for nothing but capital profit rather then the profit of a better society that we socialist have a problem with. Capitalism itself isn't the issue, it's needed for socialism to work.

No, no one needs a controlling system for any society to work. Why is it unfair if you earn more than I do? Should your chances in life be limited, even if you compared to most other have worked harder and studied harder? There is no society without classes, we will always, whether we like it or not, be different.
 
Jul 2009
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You also realize that Stalin murdered farmers who didn't want to give their land to the state?

Ironically he was the 1 that added that to the Soviet Constitution. :p

No, no one needs a controlling system for any society to work. Why is it unfair if you earn more than I do? Should your chances in life be limited, even if you compared to most other have worked harder and studied harder? There is no society without classes, we will also be different.

Nothing wrong with you having more money then me. You could have a $ billion more then me so long as you didn't steal, oppress or otherwise cheat other to get that money.
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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Nothing wrong with you having more money then me. You could have a $ billion more then me so long as you didn't steal, oppress or otherwise cheat other to get that money.

But then if that's your view on society, your views are not socialist. Your views are actually capitalist.
 
Jul 2009
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But then if that's your view on society, your views are not socialist. Your views are actually capitalist.

:giggle: I take it you've not yet realized my view are likely as conservative as your own? I am a socialist but I tend turn into a dirty rightist when the discussion shifts away form pure economics and into politics, ethics, ect. You'll learn, you'll learn. :D
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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:giggle: I take it you've not yet realized my view are likely as conservative as your own? I am a socialist but I tend turn into a dirty rightist when the discussion shifts away form pure economics and into politics, ethics, ect. You'll learn, you'll learn. :D

My advice to you is to stay there, once you turn into a true conservative, you never want to go back.
 
Jul 2009
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My advice to you is to stay there, once you turn into a true conservative, you never want to go back.

I used to be so conservative as to be fascist. don't think the Right is a safe place for me. :p
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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I used to be so conservative as to be fascist. don't think the Right is a safe place for me. :p

Fascism is much more similar to socialism, so being a conservative believing in true economic liberty is the best human ideology.
 

GOP

Feb 2010
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United Kingdom
I think we're off topic... :(

Well the thread is made about a country that is probably one of the most discussed ideological leftist countries at the moment. So discussing what this actually is, is that so off topic?
 
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