Venezuela- Serious threat to freedom of speech

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Well the thread is made about a country that is probably one of the most discussed ideological leftist countries at the moment. So discussing what this actually is, is that so off topic?

We shifted from socialism to fascism. So ya. Start another thread on fascism and 3rd Way economics? Otherwise we're just asking for a Godwin.
 

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We shifted from socialism to fascism. So ya. Start another thread on fascism and 3rd Way economics? Otherwise we're just asking for a Godwin.

True, it's sort of off-topic but to look at it differently and more on-topic Chavez is definitely the "best" mix of fascist and socialist president right now, except of course North Korea and Belarus.
 
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True, it's sort of off-topic but to look at it differently and more on-topic Chavez is definitely the "best" mix of fascist and socialist president right now, except of course North Korea and Belarus.

NK is, um, ya... Belarus is openly and proudly Stalinist, not really socialist.
 

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NK is, um, ya... Belarus is openly and proudly Stalinist, not really socialist.

Both of these are openly socialist and with North Korea as an example where the president has absolute all power, this is what is the consequence of socialist countries. Belarus too, everything that is against the Belarusian government is slaughtered in Belarus and not accepted. And now the same is happening in Venezuela. I still don't understand why people keep voting for people who they must see are going to lead them down the same path as Soviet, Cambodia and North Korea.
 
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Both of these are openly socialist and with North Korea as an example where the president has absolute all power, this is what is the consequence of socialist countries. Belarus too, everything that is against the Belarusian government is slaughtered in Belarus and not accepted. And now the same is happening in Venezuela. I still don't understand why people keep voting for people who they must see are going to lead them down the same path as Soviet, Cambodia and North Korea.

NK is a country ruled by a guy thought to be a living god. It has more in common with ancient Egypt or Rome then socialism. And Stalinism =/= socialism, even the Soviets said as much.
 

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NK is a country ruled by a guy thought to be a living god. It has more in common with ancient Egypt or Rome then socialism.

It has to do with fascism, totalitarianism, dictatorship and SOCIALISM in one.

And Stalinism =/= socialism, even the Soviets said as much.

Stalinism is the consequence of the policies Lenin implemented on the Russian society. When a part of the community we all live in gets so much power, people like Stalin will pop up and take advantage of it.
 
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It has to do with fascism, totalitarianism, dictatorship and SOCIALISM in one.

You're kidding, right?

Stalinism is the consequence of the policies Lenin implemented on the Russian society. When a part of the community we all live in gets so much power, people like Stalin will pop up and take advantage of it.

What?! Do you have any idea how much Lenin hated Stalin? Their polices were nothing alike.
 

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What?! Do you have any idea how much Lenin hated Stalin? Their polices were nothing alike.

Of course it was, but this has got nothing to do with their personal hatred for one another. It has to do with the evil society Lenin started after he killed the Tsar family, and then later on when Stalin got to power he saw that this type of society gives me quick and unbeatable power to do what I want.
 
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Of course it was, but this has got nothing to do with their personal hatred for one another. It has to do with the evil society Lenin started after he killed the Tsar family, and then later on when Stalin got to power he saw that this type of society gives me quick and unbeatable power to do what I want.

The Provincial Government overthrew the Czars, not the Reds. And they didn't all get killed, still plenty of royals left, some even claiming the thrown.
 

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The Provincial Government overthrew the Czars, not the Reds. And they didn't all get killed, still plenty of royals left, some even claiming the thrown.

I don't think the argument that they are all not dead, is a comforting one. They were still murdering people to get to power, there's no excuse for it. And it's a typical history of how socialists go to power through history. By killing people they didn't like, especially people who created large values and job-creation. That would be the worst for socialists to witness.
 
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I don't think the argument that they are all not dead, is a comforting one. They were still murdering people to get to power, there's no excuse for it. And it's a typical history of how socialists go to power through history. By killing people they didn't like, especially people who created large values and job-creation. That would be the worst for socialists to witness.

Yes, because the capitalists never did the same thing. :rolleyes:
 

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Yes, because the capitalists never did the same thing. :rolleyes:

They never had to. Capitalism is in our humanity, we all like to win, we all like to do a good job. You don't have to kill to make that part of a society, but if you're going to remove it, you'd have to, because people wouldn't want it.
 
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They never had to. Capitalism is in our humanity, we all like to win, we all like to do a good job. You don't have to kill to make that part of a society, but if you're going to remove it, you'd have to, because people wouldn't want it.

Tall that to the South Americans.
 

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Tall that to the South Americans.

I think South Americans have had a much more brutal history with socialism than with capitalism. Largest terrorist problem on that continent is created by terrorist leftist groups.
 
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I think South Americans have had a much more brutal history with socialism than with capitalism. Largest terrorist problem on that continent is created by terrorist leftist groups.

You mean the remnants of democratically elected gov'ts against the brutal capitalist dictatorships that overthrew them?
 

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You mean the remnants of democratically elected gov'ts against the brutal capitalist dictatorships that overthrew them?

And what brutal capitalist dictatorships would that be? Venezuela?
 
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