what to do about islamic extremists?

arcturus88 · Aug 20, 2015

Supposn said:
[Acturus88, I do not believe that the sequential order of our first 10 constitutional amendments were casually or accidentally determined. The first amendment signifies the priorities of the delegates that made those determinations].

" … Amendment I (1): Freedom of religion, speech, and the press; rights of assembly and petition Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".
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Attacking any peoples’ rights to hold any general or particular opinions is contrary to our nation’s principles, foolish and undermines our efforts to achieve our own democratic goals.
USA should not tolerate any nation intervening within our domestic affairs and similarly we should respect other nations’ sovereignties. Labeling terrorists as “Islamic terrorists” grants them a false and undeserved status. Terrorism is no more a basic principal of Islam and lynch law is not a basic principal of Christianity.

The status and powers of terrorists that we’re currently with are more enabled due to governments that are less democratic, less respectful of human rights, and are economically less populists. To the extent that the USA advances our national examples of economic and political democracy, we undermine those terrorists’ powers.
To the extent that governments are less economic and/or political democratic, we empower those terrorists.

Respectfully, Supposn

i missed this somehow.

honestly, i dont know what you are talking about? are you saying we should not call islamic terrorists "islamic terrorists", because it goes against your liberal sensibilities to call a spade a spade?

too bad. they are not Chirstian or Buddhist terrorists; they are islamic terrorists.

in terms of the free speech; freedom of religion piece, are you inferring that beheading folks is a form of free speech.

sorry you lost me with your entire response.

Supposn · Aug 22, 2015

arcturus88 said:
i missed this somehow.

honestly, i dont know what you are talking about? are you saying we should not call islamic terrorists "islamic terrorists", because it goes against your liberal sensibilities to call a spade a spade?

too bad. they are not Chirstian or Buddhist terrorists; they are islamic terrorists.

in terms of the free speech; freedom of religion piece, are you inferring that beheading folks is a form of free speech.

sorry you lost me with your entire response.

Arcturus88, our constitution was and is meant to be our commitment to explicit laws and principles. Our constitution is written and thus less subject to inconsistent oral interpretations of individual persons.

The U.S. Constitution permits us to prosecute persons ACTING contrary to our written laws; it does not tolerate prosecuting individual persons for their opinions, or for the opinions or acts of others.

Regardless of moments’ heat and/or our popular opinions, we may not infringe upon the rights of others due only upon legally unproven opinion that they are all “terrorists.

Respectfully, Supposn

Supposn · Aug 22, 2015

Aufgeblassen said:
If someone or group has proven the will to be a terrorist, and has acted upon that will by gathering the means to be a terrorist, they are indeed a terrorist. No benefit to our country to to pussyfoot around those facts. :smug:

Aufgeblassen, Arcturus88 wrote only of “Islamic terrorists” and omitting any inclusion of Christian or Buddhist or liberal terrorists and making no mention of “proven” terrorists.
He conveys (but does not explicitly state his additional suspicion that I may be a liberal with an excessive concern for due process of law.

Lesser respect for due process of law is detrimental to our nation.

Respectfully, Supposn

Supposn · Aug 27, 2015

Aufgeblassen said:
That is a straw man argument. NOBODY is advocating that. ...

Aufgeblassen, your statement regarding “proven” terrorists omits the qualifier of proven through and by “due process of law”. You may consider “due process of law” as an insignificant detail; I consider it as a critical difference between our positions in this matter.

Respectfully, Supposn

tecoyah · Aug 27, 2015

Supposn said:
Aufgeblassen, your statement regarding “proven” terrorists omits the qualifier of proven through and by “due process of law”. You may consider “due process of law” as an insignificant detail; I consider it as a critical difference between our positions in this matter.

Respectfully, Supposn

You might try explaining this to those who commit terrorist acts...they are obviously very into minding the Law. By the time law enforcement gathers enough evidence to prosecute...people are already quite dead.

There is a good reason for Drone Strikes.

Supposn · Aug 27, 2015

tecoyah said:
You might try explaining this to those who commit terrorist acts...they are obviously very into minding the Law. By the time law enforcement gathers enough evidence to prosecute...people are already quite dead.

There is a good reason for Drone Strikes.

Tecoyah, your remedy for terrorism is that we all become terrorists?
Respectfully, Supposn

arcturus88 · Aug 27, 2015

It is beyond horrible what these savages are doing.

They rape girls and children and sell non-isis girls and children as sex slaves. then they use this as a recruiting tool to bring in more savages. "join us and you'll get your own sex slave".

Obama is pathetic and not doing enough. He doesn't even speak about it anymore. its like he hopes that we are as a nation to get habituated to rape, murder and pillaging.

We should find out where the bulk is, define a 5 mile diameter around where they are and destroy that piece of land.

its good he wasn't presendent in the 1940s, we likely would have turned a blind eye to the holocaust and paerl harbor.

tecoyah · Aug 28, 2015

arcturus88 said:
It is beyond horrible what these savages are doing.

They rape girls and children and sell non-isis girls and children as sex slaves. then they use this as a recruiting tool to bring in more savages. "join us and you'll get your own sex slave".

Obama is pathetic and not doing enough. He doesn't even speak about it anymore. its like he hopes that we are as a nation to get habituated to rape, murder and pillaging.

We should find out where the bulk is, define a 5 mile diameter around where they are and destroy that piece of land.

its good he wasn't presendent in the 1940s, we likely would have turned a blind eye to the holocaust and paerl harbor.

It is getting rather boring to hear people who have no idea what our military is actually doing complain about the Muslim Communist Socialist Gramma killing dog eater not doing anything to stop what is going in the Middle East while offering absolutely no alternative whatsoever.

arcturus88 · Aug 28, 2015

tecoyah said:
It is getting rather boring to hear people who have no idea what our military is actually doing complain about the Muslim Communist Socialist Gramma killing dog eater not doing anything to stop what is going in the Middle East while offering absolutely no alternative whatsoever.

just don't get bored (habituated) to the atrocities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-releases-abhorrent-sex-slaves-pamphlet-with-27-tips-for-militants-on-taking-punishing-and-raping-female-captives-9915913.html

alternative:
do more bombing. big bombs. big big big bombs. get intel on where they are within a 5 mile diameter and dessimate that 5 mile diameter. find more intel, about more isis, do it again, rinse and repeat.

tecoyah · Aug 29, 2015

arcturus88 said:
just don't get bored (habituated) to the atrocities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-releases-abhorrent-sex-slaves-pamphlet-with-27-tips-for-militants-on-taking-punishing-and-raping-female-captives-9915913.html

alternative:
do more bombing. big bombs. big big big bombs. get intel on where they are within a 5 mile diameter and dessimate that 5 mile diameter. find more intel, about more isis, do it again, rinse and repeat.

I will not get "Bored" with the BS of ISIS.....disgusted perhaps, but not bored. I have a better alternative in mind, one far less costly in lives and treasure...also less likely to make everything worse by pissing off more backwards cult loonies.

GET AS FAR AWAY FROM THE NIGHTMARE THEY CREATE SIMPLY BY EXISTING AS POSSIBLE!

Women, Children, innocents and guilty are going to DIE one way or another...by pretending we can prevent this we will actually be helping it to be worse. Whoever we try to help will eventually hate us for being there and try to kill us instead. Those we tried to help were being targeted by another cult and they will hate us as well.

The entire Middle East it the very definition of a No-Win scenario, and the only viable, rational choice is to watch them kill each other from afar, and spend our energies making sure they stay home.

David · Aug 29, 2015

Polydectes said:
The white supremacists are a punch line I don't buy the media spin. Don't care, about Greece or Russia they haven'ttaken our tanks and declared war on us.

You caring about Russia and Greece is irrelevant. If Christian terrorists outnumber Muslim terrorists, you can't call BS when I say most terrorists aren't Muslim. The mistake you (and others in your situation) are making is that you're confusing my (and others my situation) not giving Christians a pass with being defensive of Muslim extremists.

arcturus88 · May 23, 2017

more from the evil religion of islam:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/world/europe/manchester-bombing-pictures-ariana-grande.html?_r=0

arcturus88 · May 23, 2017

tecoyah said:
I will not get "Bored" with the BS of ISIS.....disgusted perhaps, but not bored. I have a better alternative in mind, one far less costly in lives and treasure...also less likely to make everything worse by pissing off more backwards cult loonies.

GET AS FAR AWAY FROM THE NIGHTMARE THEY CREATE SIMPLY BY EXISTING AS POSSIBLE!

Women, Children, innocents and guilty are going to DIE one way or another...by pretending we can prevent this we will actually be helping it to be worse. Whoever we try to help will eventually hate us for being there and try to kill us instead. Those we tried to help were being targeted by another cult and they will hate us as well.

The entire Middle East it the very definition of a No-Win scenario, and the only viable, rational choice is to watch them kill each other from afar, and spend our energies making sure they stay home.

the problem is they are not satiated by killing each other from afar. they want to come to your land and kill you, me and everyone else.

arcturus88 · May 23, 2017

watching twitter last night is was amazing to see posts by Brits and Canadians saying things like:

"this is not a muslim problem"

"we need to love each other"

"come together in love, not hate"

liberalism seems to be a disease that affects critical thinking.

tecoyah · May 23, 2017

arcturus88 said:
watching twitter last night is was amazing to see posts by Brits and Canadians saying things like:

"this is not a muslim problem"

"we need to love each other"

"come together in love, not hate"

liberalism seems to be a disease that affects critical thinking.

If being thoughtful, compassionate, intellectually honest and delving deeply into the causes for this problem makes someone liberal...I now understand why these new Republicans consider me one.

arcturus88 · May 23, 2017

tecoyah said:
If being thoughtful, compassionate, intellectually honest and delving deeply into the causes for this problem makes someone liberal...I now understand why these new Republicans consider me one.

do the quotes I listed constitute "delving deep into the causes of the problem" for you?

tecoyah · May 23, 2017

arcturus88 said:
do the quotes I listed constitute "delving deep into the causes of the problem" for you?

Of course not, they do however indicate more thought than "Kill 'em all" or "it's like cancer".

arcturus88 · May 23, 2017

tecoyah said:
Of course not, they do however indicate more thought than "Kill 'em all" or "it's like cancer".

I believe you have advocated bombing isis stronghold raqqa into oblivion. and you have indicated that indeed the Islamic terrorism is a muslim problem.

I agree, and those ideas have potential to affect change.

playing cohen's halleluiah and holding hands around flowers and candles, is fine for grieving , but as a useful idea to affect change it is empty.

so what's your point of contention?

tecoyah · May 23, 2017

arcturus88 said:
I believe you have advocated bombing isis stronghold raqqa into oblivion. and you have indicated that indeed the Islamic terrorism is a muslim problem.

I agree, and those ideas have potential to affect change.

playing cohen's halleluiah and holding hands around flowers and candles, is fine for grieving , but as a useful idea to affect change it is empty.

so what's your point of contention?

My contention would be with talking point simplification of an extremely complex issue. Granted I do indeed believe trying to turn the other cheek with Islamic Terrorists is naïve and ignorant granola crunching flowerchild stupidity. However, carpet bombing is an equally dumb idea and has proven detrimental in the past. The solution lies somewhere in between as far as I can tell but, I am certainly not the individual to figure out where.
Instead I can only deal with my local environment, avoid everyone and everything Muslim, wish them all the death they wish on me, and point out that there is no viable way to tell which are nasty and which are nice. Thus must ALL Muslims be considered nasty and dangerous.

numan · May 23, 2017

arcturus88 said:
It is beyond horrible what these savages are doing.

A good first step would be to stop the American War Machine from bombing, torturing and destroying countries in the Middle East. It has killed far more innocents than the so-called "Muslim terrorists."

Al Qaida and Isis were set up and supported by the American Military-Industrial Conspiracy in order to replace the defunct Soviet Union as an excuse to keep the obscene cancer of War Profiteering in vigorous health sucking out the life blood of the American people.
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what to do about islamic extremists?

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