Who discovered the United States?

Mar 2010
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That is how I've always seen it. I can find an island somewhere that no one else has gone to. To me it's land. Someone else comes and names it something, and then it becomes an island with a name. And I didn't discover that island, just the land.
 
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That is how I've always seen it. I can find an island somewhere that no one else has gone to. To me it's land. Someone else comes and names it something, and then it becomes an island with a name. And I didn't discover that island, just the land.

Columbus didn't name anything, all he found were a few islands and he thought he was in India.

Columbus was an idiot.
 
Mar 2009
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Columbus didn't name anything, all he found were a few islands and he thought he was in India.

Columbus was an idiot.
:giggle: You do have a way with words! At one time Columbus was one of the most brilliant sea navigators. He achieved quite a lot in his lifetime.
 
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:giggle: You do have a way with words! At one time Columbus was one of the most brilliant sea navigators. He achieved quite a lot in his lifetime.

He was a genocidal, enslaving, hilariously bad administrator idiot? I don't know why people honor him.
 
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You're kidding right? I thought that was common knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Governorship_and_arrest
Maybe you need to read the whole of the Wikipedia article. Perhaps he was not good at colonizing, but he was much more than a colonizer. He did quite a bit of seafaring, had really good navigational skills and was admired far and wide, by the United States and Latin America.
A candidate for sainthood in the Catholic Church in 1866, Celebration of Columbus's legacy perhaps reached a zenith in 1892 when the 400th anniversary of his first arrival in the Americas occurred. Monuments to Columbus like the Columbian Exposition in Chicago were erected throughout the United States and Latin America extolling him. Numerous cities, towns, counties, and streets have been named after him, including the capital cities of two U.S. states, Ohio and South Carolina.
In 1909, descendants of Columbus undertook to dismantle the Columbus family chapel in Spain and move it to a site near State College, Pennsylvania, where it may now be visited by the public. At the museum associated with the chapel, there are a number of Columbus relics worthy of note, including the armchair which the "Admiral of the Ocean Sea" used at his chart table.

More recent views of Columbus, particularly those of Native Americans, have tended to be much more critical. This is because the native Taino of Hispaniola, where Columbus began a rudimentary tribute system for gold and cotton, disappeared so rapidly after contact with the Spanish, due to overwork and especially, after 1519, when the first pandemic struck Hispaniola, due to European diseases. The native Taino people of the island were systematically enslaved via the encomienda system. The pre-Columbian population is estimated to have been perhaps 250,000-300,000. According to the historian Gonzalo Fernandez de Oviedo y Valdes by 1548, 56 years after Columbus landed, less than five hundred Taino were left on the island. In another hundred years, perhaps only a handful remained. However, some analyses of the question of Columbus's legacy for Native Americans do not clearly distinguish between the actions of Columbus himself, who died well before the first pandemic to hit Hispaniola or the height of the encomienda system, and those of later European governors and colonists on Hispaniola.
 
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You have to be Irish :help: I don't believe we really know for sure. There are a number of theories, but in absence of real media reporting at that time, they are just theories to me.

"Real" as in what media, and what is "media"? Asiatics came over the land bridge to what is now Alaska. The first recorded North American white birth was a Viking kid named "Snorry" in the 900's according to at least one historian. Columbus landed south of what is now the US. Among Euros the Brits controlled north-east North America, Russians controlled the north-west and Spain controlled much of the south. America wasn't discovered, it was created politically.
 
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"Real" as in what media, and what is "media"? Asiatics came over the land bridge to what is now Alaska. The first recorded North American white birth was a Viking kid named "Snorry" in the 900's according to at least one historian. Columbus landed south of what is now the US. Among Euros the Brits controlled north-east North America, Russians controlled the north-west and Spain controlled much of the south. America wasn't discovered, it was created politically.
If I brought in the "media" it was along the lines of there was no one to witness and photograph the actual "first arrivals" as the "media" tends to do. Most of it was word by mouth. Sometimes there is a problem to figure out whether the word of mouth is fact or fiction. Columbus's arrival was well documented during his time. You are correct that people assumed he arrived on the Coast of what is now the United States, probably because people in New York decided to celebrate him in meaningful ways, and then started to call a number of historic places after him. The Vikings are less sure. More of a supposition. If you refer to historians, who are they and do you have a source?
 
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