Why was Germany Defeated ?

David · Aug 13, 2013

rgf said:
They lost the war for the same reason the Confederacy did-they overreached against a combined enemy that could put 10x1 personnel in the field and out supply and retrofit their armies on a scale of 15x1. It didn't matter that the German war industries produced magnificent machines such as the Panther tank, the ME 262 and the best assault weapon in existence if after 4 years of war you had no experienced pilots or tank drivers and a bunch of old men and kids wielding the weapons. And Uncle Adolf was no Napolean....

The Confederacy lost the war because they decided to try and take Gettysburg and ended up being totally routed. Had they not fought that battle and won at D.C. (which they probably would have seeing as the city was already under siege), they'd have won the war despite the logistical issues. Sorry to nitpick, but some people don't realize just how close that war was.

rgf · Aug 14, 2013

Yep-lets blame everything on the Zionist money conspiracies!!!! Maybe you need to sit down and adjust your aluminum foil hat because I think those voices are getting in your head......

Iolo · Aug 14, 2013

rgf said:
They lost the war for the same reason the Confederacy did-they overreached against a combined enemy that could put 10x1 personnel in the field and out supply and retrofit their armies on a scale of 15x1. It didn't matter that the German war industries produced magnificent machines such as the Panther tank, the ME 262 and the best assault weapon in existence if after 4 years of war you had no experienced pilots or tank drivers and a bunch of old men and kids wielding the weapons. And Uncle Adolf was no Napolean....

But, of course, if you choose to keep capitalism going by convincing your own mugs tha they are the 'Master Race', entitled to shit on everyone else, you will tend to insure that sort of ratio, won't you? It is one of the normal contradictions of this silly system.

rgf · Aug 14, 2013

Lee would have been beaten and the Army of NV would have ceased to exist if Little Napoleon had employed his 3rd idle corps on the afternoon of Antietam either at Burnside's Bridge or by a massive assault at the venerable center. If that had happened there would be no Gettysburg, no Cold Harbor, no Appomattox courthouse. Everyone believes that General Lee was a brilliant field tactician but putting himself in that position was foolhardy even though he knew McClellan would play it close to the vest. To point out the disparity in resources a long time ago I read a study that pointed out that at the outset of the war there was more war related manufacturing in the Connecticut River valley than in all of the confederacy.

David · Aug 14, 2013

rgf said:
Lee would have been beaten and the Army of NV would have ceased to exist if Little Napoleon had employed his 3rd idle corps on the afternoon of Antietam either at Burnside's Bridge or by a massive assault at the venerable center. If that had happened there would be no Gettysburg, no Cold Harbor, no Appomattox courthouse. Everyone believes that General Lee was a brilliant field tactician but putting himself in that position was foolhardy even though he knew McClellan would play it close to the vest. To point out the disparity in resources a long time ago I read a study that pointed out that at the outset of the war there was more war related manufacturing in the Connecticut River valley than in all of the confederacy.

My point stands. Had the ANV continued on to D.C. the city would have fallen, Europe would have intervened and the war would have been over in another year at most. Logistics were irrelevant, the war came down to either the US taking the Mississippi or the CS taking D.C.

rgf · Aug 16, 2013

Sharpsburg-September 1862, Gettysburg July 1863, there would have been no choice Gettysburg or DC because the war would have been over for months.

falcondule · Aug 17, 2013

Aufgeblassen said:
Because they were a pariah from the rest of the world, you sweet studly lollipop!

surplus population!

William · Oct 15, 2013

falcondule said:
During the 2nd. w.w. Germany had the best army in the world. it was the best trained and also had the best military equpment of any other country ;at least in the early years of fighting. But it still managed to lose . I wonder why!

Some people have made some great points in this thread. The Germans were outnumbered, out produced, over-extended themselves but I think the reason they lost was Winston Churchill. Churchill's refusal to negotiate with the Germans denied them their chance at a quick victory ending with a negotiated peace and the extended state of war was something they were not equipped to deal with.

Iolo · Oct 16, 2013

Aufgeblassen said:
Because they were a pariah from the rest of the world, you sweet studly lollipop!

They were in alliance with Italy and Japan, had been in alliance with the USSR and had also been supported by most of the powernasties of right-wing Europe. Daddy Kennedy was certainly sure they'd win, as were Stern and probably Jabotinsky, the big influences on current fascist 'Israel'.

William · Oct 16, 2013

Iolo, thanks for pointing that out about Kennedy. If there's any American who should be demonized it's Joe Kennedy, that man had no redeeming value whatsoever but for some reason he gets a pass from almost everyone.

David · Oct 16, 2013

William said:
Iolo, thanks for pointing that out about Kennedy. If there's any American who should be demonized it's Joe Kennedy, that man had no redeeming value whatsoever but for some reason he gets a pass from almost everyone.

His kids going as far left as he was right kind of evened the scales in most people's minds.

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