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Thus far I have seen nothing from these Wikis that seem anything more than typical email communications I would expect within any campaign...rather boring actually.
 
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Hillary is a crook, Trump is a fascist, Johnson is unrealistic and Stein is a New Age booffon.
 
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Why ANYONE would condone if not Champion stealing data online is beyond me, that they also do so knowing it is to damage American democracy borders on treasonish thought.

I suppose these people also support China stealing technology and NK stealing data because lil Kim has his panties twisted.
 
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Why ANYONE would condone if not Champion stealing data online is beyond me, that they also do so knowing it is to damage American democracy borders on treasonish thought.

I suppose these people also support China stealing technology and NK stealing data because lil Kim has his panties twisted.

Ok, well in theory...

when a media is controlled by a political party/ideology:

-free press is no more
-truth is cut off to the public.
-corrupt press is used to place chosen candidate into power
-corrupt press is used to hide that candidates corruptions

Then the public will then naturally get its information from wherever they can. Treason to you may be righteous rebellion to someone else.



We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. … Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

-Declaration of Independence (1776).
 
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Ok, well in theory...

when a media is controlled by a political party/ideology:

-free press is no more
-truth is cut off to the public.
-corrupt press is used to place chosen candidate into power
-corrupt press is used to hide that candidates corruptions

Then the public will then naturally get its information from wherever they can. Treason to you may be righteous rebellion to someone else.



We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. … Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

-Declaration of Independence (1776).

Hopefully you understand that we here in the United States have the freedom to change the channel to media we enjoy and feel better about. I even heard tell we kin get news from places cross da sea ifn we wanna.

In order to be controlling the media the entire world would need to be in on it. Even right here we have Fox to counter MSNBC...basically the media cannot control anyone who does not wish to be.
 
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Hopefully you understand that we here in the United States have the freedom to change the channel to media we enjoy and feel better about. I even heard tell we kin get news from places cross da sea ifn we wanna.

In order to be controlling the media the entire world would need to be in on it. Even right here we have Fox to counter MSNBC...basically the media cannot control anyone who does not wish to be.


basically you indicate that a free press ultimately doesn't matter because people can get their news elsewhere.

I think it does matter but despite that, I agree that people can get their news elsewhere. The key difference is I believe the media is bought, by the liberal elite and there is dangerous power in this.


somewhere there is probably an email from HRC camp directing media how to cover her illness/near fall a short while back...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E96lAHygeIU
 
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basically you indicate that a free press ultimately doesn't matter because people can get their news elsewhere.

....snip....

That is the definition of a free press which is why it DOES matter, especially in the context of this conversation.
 
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Having the potential to get news elsewhere (not everyone does) is most certainly NOT the definition of a free press.

This is...

free press: a body of book publishers, news media, etc., not controlled or restricted by government censorship in political or ideological matters
Here's some reading to educate yourselves on what it really is and why it MATTERS.



http://www.importantindia.com/2470/importance-of-press-in-democracy/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/20/360440/-

... four essential roles that a Free Press serves:

  1. holding government leaders accountable to the people,

  1. publicizing issues that need attention,

  1. educating citizens so they can make informed decisions, and

  1. connecting people with each other in civil society.


You'll note in both of these they reference the salient relationship of press to government. That is making government accountable.
This does not happen when HRC is giving the big MSM talking points on how to pitch and defend her record, campaign, etc.
 
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Not JUST control, we're talking GOVERNMENT control!

Government control is the opposite of free press. Our gov't. does not filter what our press reports, therefore we do indeed have free press.

That's what were talking about government, political ideological control.

did you watch the video?
 
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.....and where in the redundant video is there even a minuscule amount of evidence the GOVERNMENT is controlling the media???

One undoubtedly could make an identical video of 20 reporters saying MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN too. So what is your point exactly?

They all got the same script/talking points. or its a mere coincidence?
you can decide. either way I have provided more than ample evidence via the wikileaks attachments that there is plenty of control/bias/collusion afoot between the Clinton campaign and the corrupt MSM. The fact that you refuse to process/encode the info is not my problem.

Interestingly, when DJT brought up wikileaks in the debate last night, HRC did not rebuff or counter the accuracy of the information.
 
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They all got the same script/talking points. or its a mere coincidence?
you can decide. either way I have provided more than ample evidence via the wikileaks attachments that there is plenty of control/bias afoot between the Clinton campaign and the corrupt MSM. The fact that you refuse to process/encode the info is not my problem.

Interestingly, when DJT brought up wikileaks in the debate last night, HRC did not rebuff or counter the accuracy of the information.

I have a very important question for you as it is obviously pertinent.

As it is likely you will have a problem when Trump loses (pretty much a given now), what percentage should we fix it so she wins by?

I know if it is too low it will be contested but, if it is too high you will call it fixed. Please give me the proper percentage that I can enter it into my Asmtron5600 and avoid the burnings.
 
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I have a very important question for you as it is obviously pertinent.

As it is likely you will have a problem when Trump loses (pretty much a given now), what percentage should we fix it so she wins by?

I know if it is too low it will be contested but, if it is too high you will call it fixed. Please give me the proper percentage that I can enter it into my Asmtron5600 and avoid the burnings.


it is pertinent? I haven't mentioned fixed elections in this thread.

or are we switching to another more convenient topic?

Let me ask you one that is pertinent. Are you ok with the collusion/bias/control described?
 
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Ummm..... in order to be "corrupt", one must be a governmental official. Since HRC is currently a PRIVATE CITIZEN, it is merely a lame claim to call her that.


nope. remember the original definition.


free press: a body of book publishers, news media, etc., not controlled or restricted by government censorship in political or ideological matters
 
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Now be specific: Please name a gov't official(s) who has been caught controlling the media against their will - thanks!


I'm not going to repost the wikileaks already posted and discussed on page one of this thread. go back and read them.

free press: a body of book publishers, news media, etc., not controlled or restricted by government censorship in political or ideological matters
 
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