You Will Never Guess 3rd Leading Cause of Death in America

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notimpressed said:
You are at the mercy of a medical system. They say you need srgery your going to get it. Its being forced on you. Your not going to aly ill or let yourself die. it will only be afterwords youll find out it was not the only option. That happens allot. Not everybody dies.
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Actually, doctors always tell patients what the surgery is for and why they suggest or don't suggest doing it. If there are other viable options, they let you know those too. If your doctor isn't doing that, I suggest you change docs ;) Besides, is it also not the responsibility of the patient to ask questions and do some research for such a serious thing?

notimpressed said:
The dumping of homeless is just further example if lack of humanity due to greed of the medical industry.
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Umm.. they were homeless. Furthermore, that decision would most likely be made by administrators. Haven for Hope is a non-profit, it is not about the money.
 
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el canadiano

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myp said:
And for those who say profit should not be put above health: guess what, no matter what you say or do, the fact of the matter is that money does matter. Even in nations that have universal healthcare, money matters- just look at Europe and their current currency crisis. It is easy to say money shouldn't be put over health speaking as a utopian, but it is only when one realizes that a utopia is unrealistic that you can make significant process is improving the current system.

Besides without having profit linked to new advances in research and medicine, the medical market would still have been in the stone age. Scientists usually don't spend their entire careers trying to find a cure for anything unless it means they get some sort of payment from it- usually both monetary and in terms of exposure.
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But if you have ever been to someone else's backyard, it's amazing at how profit isn't always the number one priority in some other nations.
 
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myp

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el canadiano said:
But if you have ever been to someone else's backyard, it's amazing at how profit isn't always the number one priority in some other nations.
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And those other nations can't afford it and end up cutting benefits, having currency problems that create more problems than tying incentives to healthcare, and other such problems. Unless you believe that stealing from the future to pay for your current health is morally responsible, you can't say that taking profit out of healthcare is moral until you find a system that is sustainable and efficient without those two things tied.
 
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el canadiano said:
But if you have ever been to someone else's backyard, it's amazing at how profit isn't always the number one priority in some other nations.
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That?s right, if any open minded persons look at other systems they see there is no need for the death statistics posted by the OP. These lectures about money makes the world go round fall apart when looking outside the US. Yet they spend all their time talking about successful they are while there chin deep in financial mess.
 
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notimpressed

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myp said:
Actually, doctors always tell patients what the surgery is for and why they suggest or don't suggest doing it. If there are other viable options, they let you know those too. If your doctor isn't doing that, I suggest you change docs ;) Besides, is it also not the responsibility of the patient to ask questions and do some research for such a serious thing?


Umm.. they were homeless. Furthermore, that decision would most likely be made by administrators. Haven for Hope is a non-profit, it is not about the money.
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What maters they were homeslss they were pateince. This is not the first time they have dumped people. IN california they dumed people to die. So they did not have to treat them. The lack of huminty here is digusting.

Your told you need surgery your at their whim. The stats are their. They idea they are all comsmetic is ludicrsi and completely false.
 
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myp

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notimpressed said:
Your told you need surgery your at their whim. The stats are their. They idea they are all comsmetic is ludicrsi and completely false.
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You know what you can keep touting the same b.s. you want to but I have had family members have surgery here as well as many close friends and no one was ever forced to do something.
 
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notimpressed

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Its reality and sticking your head in the and doesnt change that reality. Peopole are forced..choosing to die thats their choice. What utter nonesence.
 
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myp

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notimpressed said:
Its reality and sticking your head in the and doesnt change that reality. Peopole are forced..choosing to die thats their choice. What utter nonesence.
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I'll take the word of my grandmother, friends, and other family members who have actually been treated here over you just saying what you think is the truth. And the last time my grandmother was suggested to get surgery, she actually didn't, further disproving your claim. Now if you think my grandmother is lying in that the doctors never told her to get surgery, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
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notimpressed said:
Peopela are indeed forced to have surgery. Wheres the proof its not at 3rd world medical level. The op showed how many there are. Far to many for this country. It continues cause greed and cold lack of humanity allows it to continue.
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People in the US aren't forced to have surgery. However, I do agree that in a way they are directed towards procedures that they may not necessarily need. What I mean by that is, people take the word of a doctor like that of God in most cases. Especially, when their life is on the line. I think people need to look for 2nd or even 3rd opinions more often instead of just doing the first thing their doctor suggests. Doctor's are not all-knowing and are prone to mistakes.
 
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notimpressed

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many of the infections can be prevented in these Hospitals though. I got mono in the hospital during surgery. A surgery I had no choice in getting. My hospital stay was extended months at my expense due to unclean condtions from a hosptial that did'nt even issue a apology.
 
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jdsingle

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notimpressed said:
many of the infections can be prevented in these Hospitals though. I got mono in the hospital during surgery. A surgery I had no choice in getting. My hospital stay was extended months at my expense due to unclean condtions from a hosptial that did'nt even issue a apology.
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How did you have no choice in getting surgery? Doctor's cannot force you to have surgery unless they make a plea about your sanity and ability to make choices for yourself. At that point they usually give choice to next of kin. Unless it was them trying to do surgery because you were about to die I don't see how anyone forces you into surgery.
 
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Also, in terms of cleanliness, American hospitals rank among the best with tough regulations on what can and cannot be done with waste and most hospitals promoting good health with anti-bacterial sanitizers all around the buildings, etc. Sometimes mistakes happen and things do spread, but that is in any situation- no one or no organization is perfect.
 
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Such a pity inspite of all these statics known to the government, their budget still majorly lies in terrorism. This is a pity, no one tends to think what their government is actually doing and how they are fooling them!
 
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