Ron Paul Is awesome!

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
50
There is no need to triple post, especially in a spam of 3 minutes with 3 1 liners. I merged the three posts in this thread.
 
Oct 2011
152
0
Ron Paul ideas in Santorum body - war mongering

Ron Paul 2012;)

hes the best GOP

He's gonna cut $ TRILLION off the FED in the first year

(Ron Paul's ideas in Santorum body - war mongering) would be ideal candidate assuming we can believe what these politicians say :)
 
Jan 2012
49
0
Ron Paul 2012;)

hes the best GOP

He's gonna cut $ TRILLION off the FED in the first year

That would be great, and he's my favorite candidate by far out of this pack . . . but I don't believe he's going to actually win.

Too many Republicans dislike his foreign policy, and that's just not going to change any time soon.
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
That would be great, and he's my favorite candidate by far out of this pack . . . but I don't believe he's going to actually win.

Too many Republicans dislike his foreign policy, and that's just not going to change any time soon.
Yeah he is a little too forgiving in some cases for me.:)
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
He isn't really forgiving, but just has another take on why things happen as they do.
Okay. Let me put it this way. His take on some things looks "weak" to me. And I think he would look weak to our many enemies around the world.:rolleyes:
 

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
50
Okay. Let me put it this way. His take on some things looks "weak" to me. And I think he would look weak to our many enemies around the world.:rolleyes:

Or... they might not have a reason to be our enemies anymore?
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
Or... they might not have a reason to be our enemies anymore?
That will not change in the next 50 years or more. They were taught to hate us.
Nothing we could ever do would change the way some of them feel about us.
 

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
50
That will not change in the next 50 years or more. They were taught to hate us.
Nothing we could ever do would change the way some of them feel about us.

The whole idea behind Paul's foreign policy is that it is not indoctrination or blind hatred, but politically motivated by American aggression. See the work by people like Robert Pape for more on that.
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
The whole idea behind Paul's foreign policy is that it is not indoctrination or blind hatred, but politically motivated by American aggression. See the work by people like Robert Pape for more on that.
I heard the "blame America first" theory for years. I just don't buy it. I see no sign from countries like Iran that they want to kiss and be buddies.:p Too much like the Carter doctrine for me.;)
 

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
50
I heard the "blame America first" theory for years. I just don't buy it. I see no sign from countries like Iran that they want to kiss and be buddies.:p Too much like the Carter doctrine for me.;)

And you buy that they are doing all this out of indoctrination and nothing more? That terrorist leaders who are willing to manipulate the religion for followers and to their benefit honestly think this is a religious duty? That the official political leaders of nations risk losing their power by risking their economies and risking revolts all to spite America? That too does not make much sense.
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
myp;25081 That too does not make much sense.[/QUOTE said:
Not to you. But it makes as much sense to me as the theory that they really like us and just want to be friends. I know personally that children can be taught to hate. I have seen it in my own family.
 

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
50
Not to you. But it makes as much sense to me as the theory that they really like us and just want to be friends. I know personally that children can be taught to hate. I have seen it in my own family.

The "children" do not matter here. The leaders do because they set policy. There are a lot of jurisdictions where the people disagree with the leaders.
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
The "children" do not matter here. The leaders do because they set policy. There are a lot of jurisdictions where the people disagree with the leaders.
The leaders were once children. But it really makes no difference because Paul will never get a chance to try his theory of just let them do what they want.
 

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
50
The leaders were once children. But it really makes no difference because Paul will never get a chance to try his theory of just let them do what they want.

So you think every single person was indoctrinated to be against the United States? So much so that the leaders are willing to destroy their own countries and their own positions to do so? That simply goes against the public demands that these leaders put out (notice how the actual demands AND reasons in communication with the US govt is always political and never religious). Religion is merely a recruiting tool. Your belief also does not explain how there are notable disconnects between people within the countries and the leaders themselves (if everyone was indoctrinated to be against America surely they'd all be fine with 20% unemployment or whatever for that primary goal- but they are NOT).

And Paul does not have to go test his theory to have an impact. What this whole paranoia business and this whole we can never be wrong business does is cost citizens billions of dollars, costs many citizens their lives even, and in some instances makes us even weaker and our enemies even greater in number. You've tried it for a few decades. How long until you realize you might be wrong?

And last but not least if indoctrination is so prevalent over there, who is to say that you have also not been indoctrinated in supporting an aggressive army that fuels the military industrial complex special interests?
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
So you think every single person was indoctrinated to be against the United States? So much so that the leaders are willing to destroy their own countries and their own positions to do so? That simply goes against the public demands that these leaders put out (notice how the actual demands AND reasons in communication with the US govt is always political and never religious). Religion is merely a recruiting tool. Your belief also does not explain how there are notable disconnects between people within the countries and the leaders themselves (if everyone was indoctrinated to be against America surely they'd all be fine with 20% unemployment or whatever for that primary goal- but they are NOT).

And Paul does not have to go test his theory to have an impact. What this whole paranoia business and this whole we can never be wrong business does is cost citizens billions of dollars, costs many citizens their lives even, and in some instances makes us even weaker and our enemies even greater in number. You've tried it for a few decades. How long until you realize you might be wrong?

And last but not least if indoctrination is so prevalent over there, who is to say that you have also not been indoctrinated in supporting an aggressive army that fuels the military industrial complex special interests?
I very well may have been indoctrinated, and maybe you have too. It does not take the whole country to hate. It just takes the ones in power to hate. And I may never realize I am wrong. Because if I have to trust them for my safety it will never happen.

These leaders will damn well destroy their own country. Anyone that believes in putting on a bomb-vest will destroy anything.

I know the US has been wrong many times. And it would be wrong again to fall into the pacifist mode. Because there are people out there that don't like us and never will.

It all comes down to the same reason I lock my doors. Will everyone steal from me or harm my family? No. But as long as any of them will I will be locking my door. I am just not built to have all these lofty la de da beliefs. And as long as I am not in my naive mode (not there much) I hope Paul is not the winner. By the way, in a bar I always sit with my back to a wall. I have been cut, but never stabbed in the back.;)
 

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
50
It all comes down to the same reason I lock my doors. Will everyone steal from me or harm my family? No. But as long as any of them will I will be locking my door. I am just not built to have all these lofty la de da beliefs. And as long as I am not in my naive mode (not there much) I hope Paul is not the winner. By the way, in a bar I always sit with my back to a wall. I have been cut, but never stabbed in the back.;)

I think we agree on more than we might suggest here because I too believe in locking my doors. What you are suggesting however, is not locking our doors (which is what Paul and I want to do). You are suggesting that you should go out with a shotgun and stand outside the doors of any potential thieves or murderers so that they can't get in your house. There is a huge difference ;)
 
Top