The post you quoted. Did you think those were Quranic passages he was listing?
The post you quoted. Did you think those were Quranic passages he was listing?
This is why, even though I am Christian I like my government secular. The problem isn't Islam, the problem is Islamic rule. If they had a secular government that wouldn't define a different "denomination" of Islam to beincorrect there wouldn't be any jihad. Just a couple of nuts that make weird comments, perhaps want Islamic rule but can not get it because the rest of the nation knows they are bullies.
Theocracy is not conducive to freedom. I have to advocate Islam in this forum because I believe in the first amendment. I frankly don't have any personal views on the religion, except, who made this rule about no bacon, they suck. All joking aside it is a religion, they are free to peacefully practic it in my nation. The first amendment gives them that right.
Theocracy is not conducive to freedom. I have to advocate Islam in this forum because I believe in the first amendment. I frankly don't have any personal views on the religion, except, who made this rule about no bacon, they suck. All joking aside it is a religion, they are free to peacefully practic it in my nation. The first amendment gives them that right.
The Old Testament passages he listed should be ignored. They are OFF TOPIC. The topic is Muslims and Free Speech, not the Old Testament or anything about it. So thanks for the compliment. As you see more of my posts, you'll see that I try to make it a habit to ignore OFF TOPIC stuff.
FALSE! The jihadists have EVERYTHING TO DO with the Koran. Counterterrorism officials the world over all have been reporting the same motives from terrorists they interrogate >> jihad and the Koran. As the Koran says >> "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam." (Koran 8:39).
And bin Laden himself has referenced the Koran and Islam and Mohammad and Allah many times in his speeches.
1. "The establishment of a caliphate in the manner of the Prophet will not be achieved except through jihad against the apostate rulers and their removal." (letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi, July 8, 2005) http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/report/2005/zawahiri-zarqawi-letter_9jul2005.htm
And in his "State of Jihad" speech (Al-Jazeera) bin Laden said the same thing (demanding that Muslims fulfill their religious/political duty) when he said >>> "The Ummah and its youth, women,elderly, must offer themselves, their expertise, and all sort of financial support enough to raise jihad in the battlefields of jihad. Jihad today is a duty to every Muslim."
I know that many people who consider themselves Muslims don't accept this and they even fight against the jihadists, and I have a friend from Iraq who has done that, BUT this doesn't mean that the jihad going on (both violent and non-violent) has nothing to do with the Koran and Islam.
The 2012 members of al Qaeda (violent jihad) and the Muslim Brotherhood (non-violent jihad) are not 1400 years old. The did not create the Koran. The Koran created them.
FALSE! The jihadists are the TRUE Muslims, and they are following the Koran by its every word. The peaceful "Muslims" are not TRUE Muslims. They do not follow the Koran. They are the ones who deviate from the Koran, which is a book of war and hatred (among other very anti-social, and illegal behaviors).
But many people contend that it is NOT a religion. They also contend that it is in violation of the US Constitution Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2) because of its supremacism, as well as being in violation of US Code 2384 (Seditious Conspiracy).
And the jihadists are a lot more than "a couple of nuts". There are hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood front groups operating in the US, each of them with hundreds of members, all dedicated to destroying America and replacing it with an Islamic state, which would be the farthest thing from free speech that anyone ever dreamed of.
Here's a sample of those groups:
Muslim Brotherhood front groups in America
CAIR, ISNA, MAS, MSA, ICNA, FCNA, MAYA, AEF, UASR, IAP, BMI, IIIT, IMANA, AMSE, ICNA, Islamic Institute, AMC, AMF, Success Foundation, GSISS AKA Cordoba University, NAIF, IIFTIKHAR, AMSS, TIAA, IRO, African Muslim Agency, Safa Trust, SAAR Foundation, MMCT, Dar El-Eiman USA, ADAMS, IANA, GRF, MWL, MYNA, HHT, Islamic Academy of Florida, Fairfax Institute, AMT, IIFSO, AMCE, AMAFVAC, CISNA, Isalmic Media Foundation, et al
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/
that kind of verses have no validity in this age because nobody is forced to quit their religion as the first arab muslims were forced in the past.
"The establishment of a caliphate in the manner of the Prophet will not be achieved except through jihad against the apostate rulers and their removal."
who is zawahiri etc? he has not as much authority in islam as papa has in vatikan.
and when it comes to bin laden and al qaeda ,it was us goverment which let them gain strength during cold war..
It wasn't off topic. You're cherry picking all the nastiest stuff you can find to make Muslims look bad and he was showing you the same thing can be be done to Jews and Christians.
Protectionist, I don't point to the Westboro church, the Ku Klux Klan, or various neo-Nazi parties and suggest their views are the views of all Christians. Why do you insist on doing the same with terrorists who use Islam as a political device?
Islam is a religion. 99.9% of the world agrees. And if you don't it doesn't matter- the first amendment allows for the practice of any religion. If a Muslim believes Islam is a religion, it is a religion. If he is not breaking any other laws, then so be it, he should be allowed to practice his Islamic faith as per the Constitution.
Islam is a religion. 99.9% of the world agrees. And if you don't it doesn't matter- the first amendment allows for the practice of any religion. If a Muslim believes Islam is a religion, it is a religion. If he is not breaking any other laws, then so be it, he should be allowed to practice his Islamic faith as per the Constitution.
ALL of the Koran's verses have validity in EVERY age, until they are stricken out of the Koran. As long as Islam is not reformed, and these words remian in the Koran, TRUE Muslims will accept them as commands they are obligated to follow, as much as any other words of the Koran.
One of the problems of getting these bad parts of the Koran out of it, is that Muslims foolishly believe that the Koran is the word of God, and that can't be changed. Consequently, over the past 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has been changed.
As for guys like Zawahiri and bin Laden, they are leaders of Islamic jihad whose efforts have already resulted in the genocidal killings of thousands of non-Muslims.
I'm not doing anything to make Muslims look bad. I am simply stating that the bad parts of the Koran are what inspire jihadists to do the bad things that they do. Anything short of that is a lie.
And it's not the nastiest stuff I can find, it is simply that stuff which causes jihad to happen. I don't have to make Muslims look bad. The Koran does that, and the jihadists do that by following it. Simple as that.
And NO, the same thing can NOT be done with Christians, since none of this trash was ever the philosophy of Jesus Christ, and to say that it was is idiocy. And YES, the talk about Jews and Christians is OFF TOPIC. Is Islam a religion or isn't it. THAT is the topic. Only that.
1. Because terrorism, genocide, mass murder, or whatever one might call it IS THE DOCTRINE of Islam. It is NOT the doctrine of Jesus Christ. How many times does this have to be said ?
2. I am quite sure that 99.9% of the world most certainly does NOT agree that Islam is a religion. and no doctrine can be a religion just because somebody says it is. If the adherents of say exhibitionism, lesbianism, protectionism, expansionism, globalism, nativism, or cubism were to say their ideology was a religion, would it be one just because they say so ? Of course not.
3. As far as the Constitution is concerned, if Islam is a religion, it might be protected by the first amendment. If it's not a religion, it would not have that protection. In the case if Islam, however the first amendment question is moot, because Islam is in violation of the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2), because of its supremacy, which the Constitution does not allow.
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
PS - in the future, if you want to make a statistical claim about something (especially when you claim to be "sure" of it) you NEED to present EVIDENCE backed up by link sources (the more the better).. You presented nothing.
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Um actually, yes if you say it is your religion, it is your religion. If you are not breaking any laws or violating anyone's rights, you are free to practice. Just as has always been the case in the US and is the reason why millions of Muslims in the US can practice their religion peacefully every single day with that right protected by the highest levels of government.
This is ludicrous. A religion is a system of beliefs and worship which includes a code of ethics. Something isn't a religion just because someone says it is.
Do you think that if a group was into human sacrifice (killing people), and they claimed they were a religion, that they would receive the protection of the first amendment, and would be allowed to go around killing people ? Do you think US legislators would protect them under the US Constitution's freedom of religion clause ? Pheeeeeeww !! (high-pitched whistle)
As I said if certain beliefs break other laws, the law-breaking actions might be against the law, but that does not make the religion any less a religion. Nor does it make the religion outlawed. There is a line between protecting religious freedom and protecting other freedoms, but anyone is allowed to call anything they want religion and practice within a certain realm. A realm that has been defined in more and more detail by the SCOTUS over the years.
He can call me anything he wants. No matter what he calls me, or any other protectionist, he's not going to change the TRUTH. Islamists always call protectionists idiots, even when all the protectionists are doing is reciting FACTS and HISTORY. I've been called an "idiot" by Islamists for saying that the doctrine (never disavowed) of the Muslim Brotherhood in America is to destroy America and turn it into an Islamic state. Here's their basic doctrine:
"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood in North America] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands, and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated, and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."
Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al.
I think I see where you're slipping up. Islamism isn't Islam, it's a social conservative ideology. It's no more a religion then Evangelicalism is. It's a religiously motivated but secular political philosophy.
Islam on the other hand is a religion (with a code of ethics calling for charity, defense of the weak, respect for other Abrahamic religions, opposition to tyranny, etc.).
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