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The bigger question is why were suicide bombers created. We all can say that the war on Israel is the reason why they were created.

Yet they have changed their uses. They are used now on us why? Because the US has gone above and beyond what it was created to be. We are no longer a country who promotes freedom we are a country that forces freedom on others.

Not only that we have become a country that other see as Imperialistic. Which we have we have somewhere around 1000 base world wide if you take into consideration secret bases. This is an empire. We have no right forcing freedom on other countries which is what we are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq.

So I can't blame the Muslims for being mad and attacking us.

Is that the only reason that you see US troops being in Afghanistan ?
 
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I'm going to answer this point by point.

Suicide bombers were created by Buddhists to kill Hindus. The Hindus used them to kill Muslims and the Muslims used them to kill Christians and Jews (the Christians took to it as well, Christian terrorists just avoid the suicide part).

They are used on us? Last time I checked the only major bombing attacks (9/11 excluded) were done by Christians. Israel and India, not the US, are is the targets of Muslim suicide bombers.

Frankly I'm all for imperialism, it's when we stopped conquering the world that the world started fighting back. The problem with imperialism arises when you do the conquering but avoid the empire part. Conquering a country just to let the locals set up their own gov't and then leave (or stay on as nothing more then cops)? No, if you're going to send warriors to die conquering a country, at least annex it. By all means let the locals rule themselves but make them subordinate and reap the economic benefits or it's all for not.

Nor can I.

Thank you for correcting my first part.

Your second part is a tad off though what major bombing attacks were done by Christians.

The USS Cole Muslim, The two US Embassies that were bombed Muslims, The army barracks in the 80's Muslim. The Libya Embassy attack Muslim.

If you mean here at home and are talking Oklahoma City It was done by a Christian's back by a Muslim Group. Which was brought out in court. So Major attack has not been done by Christians.

You maybe for an American Empire I can say I am not. It is not our right to force the world to have our ideals our religion. You are in for a big failure. Every empire in history has toppled over and broken and it will happen to the US soon too.

Globalism is a farce as far as I am concerned. It can never be achieved because the people of the world will never see eye to eye on anything. If they do get it started in someway it will fail.

The US should worry about the US and its citizens not everybody but there own. I don't care about Bagdad and what goes on there I care about this country and what goes on here. Let them solve their own problem.

When you force a country to do what you want do you really think the people are grateful please. The will do everything to disrupt your rule and eventually bankrupt the Country whose Empire you belong too.

Greece Failed, Rome Failed, France Failed, Germany Failed, Britain Failed, and so will we. When we do no one will be there to help us up.
 
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Thank you for correcting my first part.

Your second part is a tad off though what major bombing attacks were done by Christians.

The USS Cole Muslim, The two US Embassies that were bombed Muslims, The army barracks in the 80's Muslim. The Libya Embassy attack Muslim.

If you mean here at home and are talking Oklahoma City It was done by a Christian's back by a Muslim Group. Which was brought out in court. So Major attack has not been done by Christians.

You maybe for an American Empire I can say I am not. It is not our right to force the world to have our ideals our religion. You are in for a big failure. Every empire in history has toppled over and broken and it will happen to the US soon too.

Globalism is a farce as far as I am concerned. It can never be achieved because the people of the world will never see eye to eye on anything. If they do get it started in someway it will fail.

The US should worry about the US and its citizens not everybody but there own. I don't care about Bagdad and what goes on there I care about this country and what goes on here. Let them solve their own problem.

When you force a country to do what you want do you really think the people are grateful please. The will do everything to disrupt your rule and eventually bankrupt the Country whose Empire you belong too.

Greece Failed, Rome Failed, France Failed, Germany Failed, Britain Failed, and so will we. When we do no one will be there to help us up.

I don't care one iota what kind of govt or culture people in other parts of the world have. What I care about is protecting the American people.

If criminals kill somebody, the police don't tell you to arm yourself and shoot those guys if they attack you. They go out and they find those guys and they arrest them.

In the case of Afghanistan, I see 2 reasons for US troops to be there, neither having anything to do with imperialism, or forcing anyone to do what you want, (other than that which would keep them from harming you).

1. To deny al Qaeda the use of Afghanistan, as a place to have training camps to train terrorists to make bombs and deliver them.

2. To have troops in close proximity to Pakistan, so as to be able to quickly move into Pakistan and secure their 100+ nuclear warheads, in the the event that the fragile Pakistani govt might fall, and the nukes fall into the hands of Islamist loons. And some might say the US troops are the only reason why that Pakistani govt has its power, period.
 
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I never heard about Christian "jihad" because I am not sure it exists. Aside from about two things in history and they were about twenty years ago, there had never been a Christian terror attack.

What Christian nations execute such people?

If you have any links to any videos our articles, I would like to read them.

I haven't been too fond if local Christians lately.

There is not an islamic jihad either.Qoran never mentions such a thing .God just advises you to defend yourself against the attacks instead of attacking without a reason......
On the other hand , both muslims and christians abused the religions for their imperial aims..............
 
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There is not an islamic jihad either.Qoran never mentions such a thing .God just advises you to defend yourself against the attacks instead of attacking without a reason......
On the other hand , both muslims and christians abused the religions for their imperial aims..............

And there is no sun. And there is no moon. And grass is not green. And the sky is not blue. Anything else you would like to deny ? Pheeeeeww! (high-pitched whistle)

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers."
Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177


"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186


"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."[/SIZE]
Quran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous."
Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206
 
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And there is no sun. And there is no moon. And grass is not green. And the sky is not blue. Anything else you would like to deny ? Pheeeeeww! (high-pitched whistle)

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers."
Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177


"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186


"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."[/SIZE]
Quran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous."
Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206


Where does this call for Islamic Jihad...or do you understand what the phrase means?

By the way:

Numbers 31:17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Joshua 10:28And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho.31And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah.


2 Kings 2:23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.


2 Kings 15:16Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.


Psalms 137:9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks. (NLT)


Ezekial 9: 5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.


Hosea 9:16Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.


Hosea 13:16Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
 
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And there is no sun. And there is no moon. And grass is not green. And the sky is not blue. Anything else you would like to deny ? Pheeeeeww! (high-pitched whistle)

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers."
Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177


"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186


"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."[/SIZE]
Quran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous."
Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206

what do you mean by jihad ?
 
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what do you mean by jihad ?

It's in the suras (8:12, 9:5, 9:73, 9:123). It's what the Koran means by jihad.
Holy war. To attack and kill as many infidels as the uncivilized, barbaric savages known as jihadists can accomplish.

Here they are again:

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers."
Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177


"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186


"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."[/SIZE]
Quran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous."
Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206
 
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Where does this call for Islamic Jihad...or do you understand what the phrase means?

By the way:

Numbers 31:17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Joshua 10:28And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho.31And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah.


2 Kings 2:23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.


2 Kings 15:16Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.


Psalms 137:9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks. (NLT)


Ezekial 9: 5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.


Hosea 9:16Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.


Hosea 13:16Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

1. In all 4 of the suras I listed.

2. There are 2 basic types of jihad. Both have the same end goal. To destroy western civilization, and replace it with a worldwide caliphate (Islamic state). The first type is the violent jihad (ex. al Qaeda). The second is the subversive non-violent jihad (ex. the Muslim Brotherhood and their hundreds of front groups)

Muslim Brotherhood front groups in America

CAIR, ISNA, MAS, MSA, ICNA, FCNA, MAYA, AEF, UASR, IAP, BMI, IIIT, IMANA, AMSE, ICNA, Islamic Institute, AMC, AMF, Success Foundation, GSISS AKA Cordoba University, NAIF, IIFTIKHAR, AMSS, TIAA, IRO, African Muslim Agency, Safa Trust, SAAR Foundation, MMCT, Dar El-Eiman USA, ADAMS, IANA, GRF, MWL, MYNA, HHT, Islamic Academy of Florida, Fairfax Institute, AMT, IIFSO, AMCE, AMAFVAC, CISNA, Islamic Media Foundation, et al
 
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It's in the suras (8:12, 9:5, 9:73, 9:123). It's what the Koran means by jihad.
Holy war. To attack and kill as many infidels as the uncivilized, barbaric savages known as jihadists can accomplish.

Here they are again:

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers."
Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177


"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186


"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."[/SIZE]
Quran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous."
Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206

is there a war between muslims and non muslims now ?
 
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1. In all 4 of the suras I listed.

2. There are 2 basic types of jihad. Both have the same end goal. To destroy western civilization, and replace it with a worldwide caliphate (Islamic state). The first type is the violent jihad (ex. al Qaeda). The second is the subversive non-violent jihad (ex. the Muslim Brotherhood and their hundreds of front groups)

Muslim Brotherhood front groups in America

CAIR, ISNA, MAS, MSA, ICNA, FCNA, MAYA, AEF, UASR, IAP, BMI, IIIT, IMANA, AMSE, ICNA, Islamic Institute, AMC, AMF, Success Foundation, GSISS AKA Cordoba University, NAIF, IIFTIKHAR, AMSS, TIAA, IRO, African Muslim Agency, Safa Trust, SAAR Foundation, MMCT, Dar El-Eiman USA, ADAMS, IANA, GRF, MWL, MYNA, HHT, Islamic Academy of Florida, Fairfax Institute, AMT, IIFSO, AMCE, AMAFVAC, CISNA, Islamic Media Foundation, et al

Nice job ignoring the post. lol
 
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Between jihadist Muslims and non-Muslims, yes, of course. All over the world.
You haven't noticed ?

qoran and islam have nothing to do with those so called jihadists and you try to apply every verse you have seen in qoran to todays's world.

those jihadists hate me as much as they hate you ,they have a problem with humanity ,not with christians..
 
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qoran and islam have nothing to do with those so called jihadists and you try to apply every verse you have seen in qoran to todays's world.

those jihadists hate me as much as they hate you ,they have a problem with humanity ,not with christians..
In fact they shouldn't be named jihadist because they are extremist misguided people that deviated from true islamic teachings.
 
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Trustme, et al,

One man's opinion.

In fact they shouldn't be named jihadist because they are extremist misguided people that deviated from true islamic teachings.
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I can, in part, agree that they are misguided. But, I am not sure that they have deviated from Islamic teachings.

The Muslim has established a clear reputation for themselves and the culture. And the Jihadist is an splitter of that society that has not been condemned by the senior leaders of the faith.

In fact, Grand Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Hosseini Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, and a Shia Marja', is a very prominent contributing sponsor to the furthering disruptive activity and promoting terrorist action in the Middle East. While he may give lip service to the Islamic theocracy, which he suggests is based on justice, independence, self-sufficiency and piety, he still ships weapons and manpower to support the "Jihad" against the Israelis.

The Iran Primer said:
  • Khamenei’s foreign policy is driven by animosity to the United States and Israel. It is unclear whether he could abandon this position without undermining the raison d’etre of the Islamic system.
There are few leaders in the world more important to current world affairs but lessunderstood than Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran. He is the single most powerful individual in a highly factionalized, autocratic regime. No major decisions can be taken without his consent, and his top priorities are his own survival and that of the Islamic Republic.
SOURCE: http://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/supreme-leader

Most Respectfully,
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